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| Bluericky Member Since: 26 Jun 2014 Location: Cornwall Posts: 647   
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Or 5. Your windscreen wipers spindles are beginning to seize up .
They did on mine and worked intermittently then one day not at all. They’re a complete pain to replace . Alternatively it could be your wiper motor having a worn out worm or main cog https://www.instagram.com/hustynminepark/ |
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6th Dec 2020 1:21pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834  
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Had the same problem a couple of years ago - had the entire mechanical wiper system replaced - motor, cable, boxes etc. on the basis that if the immediate problem, in my case seizing spindles, only was solved, it was only a matter of time before the rest needed replacement. The genuine parts were relatively cheap and the labour only had to be done once.  Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. |
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6th Dec 2020 1:43pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17312 
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It does sound very much as though the park switch is sticking, from what you describe. If so, you can remove the motor without dismantling the dash completely, you need to free off the passenger side dash fixings and pull it away from the bulkhead enough to reach in a free the motor. A long time ago I described how to do this in a thread somewhere on this forum.
Changing the spindles/wheelboxes does require rather more dismantling since the whole dash needs pulling a little bit away from the bulkhead. |
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6th Dec 2020 1:57pm |
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| G4UJS Member Since: 20 Jan 2019 Location: Shropshire Posts: 226 
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https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic2031.html
This Blackwolf excellent description as to how to do the park switch worked for me Rob |
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6th Dec 2020 2:01pm |
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| Edpike Member Since: 04 Jul 2020 Location: NI Posts: 35 
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Thanks guys for the advice.
I used the last post to replace the parking switch and it worked really well. That said it was accompanied with a lot of swearing with my ham fisted efforts in the tight spaces. I am now erring on replacing the whole lot, less motor, i noticed my spindles have seen better days. |
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6th Dec 2020 2:13pm |
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| Bluericky Member Since: 26 Jun 2014 Location: Cornwall Posts: 647
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It’s worth withdrawing the motor and cable to check the spindles before dismantling the majority of the dash. Once the cable is free there should be next to know resistance on the spindles.
You’ll have to remove the windscreen wipers in their entirety as well . That in itself can be a complete pain if they’re seized on. The spindle on the passenger side is relatively easy to replace compared to the drivers side. When replacing my radio and removing the fascia it occurred to me that it may be possible to access the trickier spindle through there, mind you by the time you’ve finished faffing you may as well go the whole hog . A squirt or two of lubricant on the spindles may also work in the short term and will confirm suspicions . It’s interesting that this topic comes up annually as soon as the temperature drops !! https://www.instagram.com/hustynminepark/ |
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6th Dec 2020 2:29pm |
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| Edpike Member Since: 04 Jul 2020 Location: NI Posts: 35
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Great advice and I will try and lube up the spindles a bit to see if that works.
Can you get to the drivers spindle via the radio? I have a double DIN and that might make things easier rather than taking the whole dash out. |
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6th Dec 2020 4:17pm |
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| Bluericky Member Since: 26 Jun 2014 Location: Cornwall Posts: 647
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I have a double din as well. Leave it in place but undo the two large torx screws below and just above the heating controls.
Remove the whole unit as one . I seem to remember there being a heating duct in the way so that needs to be Unclipped and pulled out in order to view the spindle . As I said though, it may well be less time consuming to remove the dash forward . If you have slim hands and a few wedges of wood it is possible to do it without removing the instrument cluster and steering wheel ! But remember to remove ALL of the scews securing the dash and fascia in place !!! https://www.instagram.com/hustynminepark/ |
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6th Dec 2020 4:37pm |
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| Edpike Member Since: 04 Jul 2020 Location: NI Posts: 35
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6th Dec 2020 5:53pm |
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| Edpike Member Since: 04 Jul 2020 Location: NI Posts: 35
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I thought I would give you all an update on the Windscreen wiper issue I was having.
In sum, I had to take the whole dash out and ventilation ducting - a bit of a phaff, but not rocket science. I replaced both wiper spindles, wiper drive, park switch (Lucas), wiper steering wheel stalk (Lucas), washer jet (with an Ultimate Fan Spray - really effective) and greased everything up. BTW if you are going to the level of taking the dash out I recommend that you replace the washer jet at the same time as they are prone to ageing and you will have to take the guts of the dash out to get to it as it is a right old fiddly job. Once I tested everything I found that the washer and intermittent settings would not park correctly. At this stage in the day I was ready to start reaching for the sledge hammer for some fine adjustment. I decided to return the next day and start fault finding. That night I found this video by Britannica Restorations: &t=735s The video solved my problem - I was trying to fit an OEM Lucas parking switch to an aftermarket wiper motor. The upshot was that both fit, but not exactly (in the video you will see Mike demonstrate the different tolerances). After a touch with the file on the switch around the depression switch all worked exactly as it should. I have added a zip tie around the bottom of the switch and the motor body for good measure. All I can say is thank God for YouTube, these forums and the likes of Mike who post content there. Lastly, thanks for all of your advice too which pointed me in the right direction. |
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24th Dec 2020 8:43am |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40 
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The wipers on my 2.2 Tdci won't stop, I have replaced the switch to no avail, so I'm going in for the park switch next. Thanks to this excellent site. I will keep you posted. Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci
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24th Dec 2020 10:35pm |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40
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I thought I would post the resolution to this in the Tdci section. I hope this is of use to someone.
The wipers wouldn't stop on our 2012 Tdci Defender. This got worse, so I replaced the wiper switch, this did not work so £75 quid wasted. I removed, cleaned and replaced the park switch, but this did not make any difference. I decided to go ahead and replace the wiper motor, £208 including VAT from LR main dealership. This had better work, I thought. I removed all the dash screws and took the instrument binnacle off, plus the steering wheel and plastic cover. This allows the dash to come out sufficiently to remove the wiper motor comfortably. There is an air duct that also needs to be removed. Time taken approx three hours because it was freezing cold and I have not done this before. You need a torx 20 and 30 bit, plus plenty of patience as there are dozens of screws. You need to remove the wipers, because when you replace the cable in the rack, they will spin round and end up in the wrong position. They can be attached once the motors is secured in place. This did fix my problem, the wipers now start and stop perfectly, and even work on intermittent which they didn't before. I took the old motor and gearbox apart today, and found the plastic piece on the gear wheel that operates the park switch was worn. The truck has only done 60,000 miles so I think this is a poor design. I hope the new part lasts longer. Cheers Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci |
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