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Co1



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gilarion wrote:
Only one rule, train with kindness never with anger.


Sage advice. The bit I’d also add is that if you’ve had a crap day at work, an argument with the wife or if your just not on your A game, give the training a miss. There is always tomorrow.
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jst wrote:
Co1 wrote:
Whether you go pup or rescue, find yourself a well respected trainer to work with. Bear in mind that the training is really for you and not the dog! I wouldn’t recommend the pup route if you are a novice. If you going down the pup route, for the first couple of months do very little training and just focus on building the bond between you both. Developing that bond is what will make all the future training easier. The dog should trust you and see that everything good comes from/with you so spend as much time forge that as you can.

As far as breeds go, i love a working dog, be it terriers, pastoral or gundogs. Don’t be fooled into thinking that this type of dog needs more stimulation/exercise as all dogs need this regardless. The beauty of a gun dog is that there are lots of passionate and enthusiastic trainers, whether you intend to work it or not.

The last thing I’d say is you need to exercise the mind as well as the muscles. Plenty of mental stimulation is The key to a relaxed dog.


^^^^^ many a true word in above and advice to take on board. Especially ref exercise the mind.

What ever you decide on, it needs your time and patience, more of both than many expect.

On a financial side:

I'd be inclined to wait a few months at the moment dogs and horse prices are through the roof. £750 labs at £5k for example. Granted that's the most I have confirmed see go for, but £3k avg still well over what it was 12mths ago. Once vaccine are readily available and more people back to work there may well unfortunately be a surplus of your dogs.


totally agree with both these quotes.

prices are completely out of wack at the moment. I want another dog ( FCR) but refuse to pay the prices people are asking, its insane, even if I could find a FCR

I have always found FCR great family dogs, yes they need a couple of hours a day but will happily lie around the house and they are very loyal and gentle dogs. just dont show them deer Rolling with laughter

my bug bear with people and puppies is they think they can walk a long way from day one. its something you have to build up to, especially in bigger dogs. I was always told to walk no more than 200 yards once they hit 14 weeks and after jabs, for a least a couple of weeks, then gradually build it up over time.

good luck in finding the right one, as other say, just do your research, they are with you a long time Thumbs Up Defender D250 HSE
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Just a word of caution about adopting from a rescue. We adopted a dog a few years ago, which came with issues that we just couldn't resolve (we thought we could) even with help from a trainer and the charity and ended having to give him up. Some animals have been damaged to the point where it is difficult to get them back and some times it is fairer that they live somewhere that can accommodate their problems rather than trying in vain to rehabilitate. The wrench of giving up on a dog is not easy to deal with if you are an animal lover either.

Some rescue charities seem to have a default position of not rehoming into homes with young kids, just as a standard policy to protect themselves.

We do have an 8 year old Basset Hound who we have had from a pup and is tremendous, as friendly, laid back and low maintenance a dog as you could wish for really. He has been all over Europe camping in Land Rover with us. He does stink and shed hair continuously, but you soon get used to it Laughing


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last 3 dogs have been rescues of differing breed (even the one before that was 'rescued' from feckwit breeders / owners) - no way would I be paying the extorion that is going on at the moment.......
wife is home 24/7 otherwise we would likely not have pets as they do need some care and attention - my first dog I always took to work but not practical these days

1st was medium sized cross breed (lab /shepherd mix??) but temperament was mint unfortunately we didn't have her long before an accident meant she passed away
2nd was a Golden Retriever pup (no papers due to being removed from over burdened family) but she has been part of the family for 13+years and is most sociable with both dogs & humans although she now suffers from both arthritis and seemingly dementia and doesn't suffer boisterous dogs these days - still perfectly happy but we limit her "excitement" as she stills thinks she's a puppy and suffers for it afterwards, we have always kept her weight in hand and she is generally extremely fit still
3rd we ended up with a few years back as a result of a cruelty case and was described as a 'lurcher type' albeit we have done a bit more research and pretty sure she is a Saluki or at least most part....temperament is brilliant and loves to play, main issue we have had is weaning her off her hunting instincts as pretty sure we was used for poaching or whatever and likely she was starved and hence took some time to get her to stop catching / killing anything she came across - a ball was the answer (mainly) and the fact she now knows where home is

would far rather give some $$ and support to the local rescue centre's / charities than line some dubious breeders pocket
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Co1 wrote:
Whether you go pup or rescue, find yourself a well respected trainer to work with. Bear in mind that the training is really for you and not the dog! I wouldn’t recommend the pup route if you are a novice. If you going down the pup route, for the first couple of months do very little training and just focus on building the bond between you both. Developing that bond is what will make all the future training easier. The dog should trust you and see that everything good comes from/with you so spend as much time forge that as you can.

As far as breeds go, i love a working dog, be it terriers, pastoral or gundogs. Don’t be fooled into thinking that this type of dog needs more stimulation/exercise as all dogs need this regardless. The beauty of a gun dog is that there are lots of passionate and enthusiastic trainers, whether you intend to work it or not.

The last thing I’d say is you need to exercise the mind as well as the muscles. Plenty of mental stimulation is The key to a relaxed dog.


Great advice!

We have a Border Collie and a working Sprocker... they are completely different dogs but they are both super loyal and very obedient. Chilled around the house, but happy to go on long run's and bike rides especially the collie.

Our training was often and short really, both started life off the lead as they naturally stay close / come back when they are young, and we just focused on recall, stop and just enjoying them for probably the first 6 months or so. The Collie spent allot of time at Agility, and the Sprocker was trained as a gun dog.

Wouldn't be without them and as for kids, my daughter is 18 months now and they are all thick as thieves.


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He does stink and shed hair continuously, but you soon get used to it Laughing




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Being single and recently retired from a job that involved work overseas 6 months a year I felt that having a dog would motivate me better to get out and walk daily as well as being company.
My first step was to contact my local branch of The Dogs Trust who are always looking to rehome dogs of all ages and fitness. Due to COVID I’m still waiting to have myself and my house/garden appraised prior to being advised what pooch would be most suitable for me. I have only put one condition on what I don’t want.......... no Jack Russel Terriers please - I have 2 neighbours who both have 3 of these vicious happy dogs, Last Friday I was offered, subject to my interview and home inspection, a 7 year old Black Labrador bitch who’s last family can no longer look after her. She’s been a house dog pet but is still fit and looks very healthy and lean. We will be “introduced” to each other on 16th December all going well. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
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Train the trainer - if you are thinking of a pup (and prices are crackers at the moment) then dropping another £ on 1-2-1 or group lessons with a proper trainer is money really well spent. I'd avoid well intentioned souls in the village hall and crowd control puppy socialisation stuff, but that's probably just me. Mentally stimulating a dog through fun, positive training is the way forward - there is no place (or case to be made) for old fashioned hard training methods.

My dogs all work and whilst not perfect we work well enough together, which is where the enjoyment comes from.

Good luck with it all.
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just to add all of our dogs know the pecking order and seem far happier for it, have been witness to some very poor discipline / control of dogs which ultimately almost became past saving simply from being treat like babies and pampered - others out of the same litter were the best temperament you could get just treat correctly and happy
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Huttopia wrote:
Bluest wrote:
He does stink and shed hair continuously, but you soon get used to it Laughing




He speaks highly of you Laughing


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Anyone on here had or has a Rhodesian Ridgeback? It’s a long time since I owned dogs (Border Collies) but my other half up to a few years ago had Labradors. We were out walking a few weeks ago and met a chap with Ridgeback pup and we were both quite smitten with it. So any experiences with one, would appreciate any insight. We are both active long walkers with a large house and gardens. We are not quite ready for a dog at the moment but in a years time we may be. Thanks in advance.
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Not much experience other than they are bloody big!! The ones I have come across have all been very nice natured. I often think that with a dog of that size and build they have a certain relaxed confidence that means they are never nervous aggressive or yappy.
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TJH1985 wrote:


Our training was often and short really,


other sound advice, and train when the dogs wants/needs it for their mental stimulation rather than just when you have the time to do it.

a tired dog learns quicker i have also found

i have been to one of the areas i use to do a bit of 1:1 and more than once, found the dog not really in the mood or disinterested (the latter being my fault - repetition) and just changed tact and either turned it into a walk or brought them back home.

i do run with my dogs each morning, then training is a little later in the day before work, they are physically tired but usually keen for some mental stimulation. i tend to do 5 to 15mins lumps depending how the dog is receiving it. i will add i do have Labs and they are born half trained! Cheers

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I've just caught up with the thread. You guys are the best!!! So glad I asked. Thank you everyone.
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