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Badger110



Member Since: 06 Feb 2018
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Buckingham Blue
Some sludge
Althought the truck is running ok ( 3 weeks in Bonnieland with zero issues ) the vcv was on the list of jobs to do ( noisy when cold, revs hunting, lack of power at top end when towing ) so today i whipped off the inlet manifold as it makes life a little easier and i wanted to track down a small oil leak in the engine bay.

Not a pretty sight;



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After sticking ones finger into the block and dragging it out, this was the result;



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Now i need to figure out what's causing it and a solution to get it cleaned.

Thoughts, ideas of possible causes? ( 160k, no real oil loss or power loss in day to day running )
Post #867507 15th Nov 2020 12:47pm
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Snazz



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Alveston Red
Hi badger110,

I've removed a couple of the inlet manifolds on pumas recently from low ish and high mileage vehicles and they've all been pretty similar to your images also none of them had running issues.I did have a pic of one but i can't find it Sorry.
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LR90XS2011



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isnt that just the normal piston blow bye and EGR soot all mixed together DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy


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Post #867550 15th Nov 2020 4:26pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Sadly that looks entirely normal to me, and I suspect you'll only improve it by fitting a Provent or catch can and ideally disabling the egr.
Post #867552 15th Nov 2020 4:39pm
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Badger110



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Buckingham Blue
It is good to hear it's to be expected, if a little alarming first time seeing it!

Any tips of geting rid of it? Any specific cleaning products likely to work?

Tia
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Snazz



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Its not easy to remove all the sludge mess but in the past I've used alloy wheel cleaner and a stiff brush left to soak for a while then steam clean. Also some new seals wouldn't hurt it while you've got it off Thumbs Up
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MatLandy



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This thick, cancerous, caked-on sludge is the combined result of EGR gases mixing with the thin film of oil originating from the crankcase breather which is plumbed back into the air intake before the turbo.

No matter how you look at it, it is a messy job to clean. I personally used a copious amount of break cleaner, numerous toothbrushes and finished at the jet wash station. I also changed all seals for new (8 x LR018370 and 1 x LR004404S) before refitting. A new MAP sensor is also to be considered as being caked with the same gunk. Once the inlet manifold is refitted, I treated the engine with Liqui Moly 5168 (Pro-Line intake System Cleaner) to further reduce the gunk remaining within the engine block that is not easily accessible to remove manually. I've added a picture below taken with a small inspection cam of one of the intake valve, I don't think the added weight of gunk can be good for it to operate at its best.

As I don't want to be doing this job again, I have the EGR closed (through remap + blanking plate) and a Provent fitted.
All this made no noticeable difference to how the engine runs, but in the long term I am confident it will help preserving it.

/Mat

before:

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after:

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intake valve (sorry, very dark and low resolution):

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Post #867663 16th Nov 2020 8:58am
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