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Blimmen modern technology.
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3646   
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Diesel Particulate Filter
My BM has one of these you know when it is going through its cycle as it generates loads of heat and the engine feels like it is missing slightly, other than that it is pretty unobtrusive. I do loads of driving around town upto about 5 miles to work and back, but it gets a good thrashing most weekend so no issues so far. Did set fire to a field once though as the exhaust was so hot. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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23rd Aug 2011 8:29pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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There's also the price rise to consider...
It's the 110 Utility (County) I am interested in. The OTR price increases from £27,575 (2011) to £28,195 (2012). More money for a smaller engine  Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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25th Aug 2011 9:58am |
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| Honker Member Since: 26 Jun 2011 Location: St Albans Posts: 353  
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DPFs are relatively trouble free but they will need a regeneration cycle if you do a lot of idling/short journeys. How many hours you can get away with depends on what type of useage. Dealers are meant to explain this to customers but if there is no petrol choice then its often 'overlooked'. If the warning light does come on ( on any dpf equipped vehicle) then the thing you should not do is turn the engine off in a 'crap a warning light has come on so best turn off before more damage is done' , if anything a decent 10-15min run around will start the cycle and you'll be fine. If you do ignore the warning light then depending on the system you'll normally get a more urgent message to go for a drive ...if you ignore that then get the wallet out.
When we get to eu6 emissions then it looks like we'll be using the same tech as on the trucks with urea injection...which'll be nice. Stu |
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25th Aug 2011 10:11am |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4722 
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Remember when one of the diesel engine's plus points was it's inherent simplicity?
How many tractors do you see running about spewing out black smoke with headlights ( or light) pointing skyward? How about those big spike things on the back of tractor's for shifting bales? They are a bigger threat to pedestrian safety than the front of any Land Rover. Bureaucracy gone mad. Cannot blame Land Rover, they are just following the rules. We will probably have to tow our Defenders around using electric cars to comply with rules in the future. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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25th Aug 2011 11:02am |
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| isv Member Since: 14 Feb 2010 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 8 |
Thanks for all the advice. New grey 110 xs utility 2.4 coming week after next. Decided that the 2.2 gave me no discernible benefit and I might end up regretting presence of a DPF...
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2nd Sep 2011 11:50pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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My thinking exactly. I wonder if the engine tuners will have any joy with the EU6 models? |
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3rd Sep 2011 10:47am |
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| Carl l Member Since: 03 Sep 2011 Location: Northern Hemisphere Posts: 9 |
As others have said, I wouldn't be worried by the DPF, they are much-improved from the first year they were on vehicles and I haven't had any issues in the last four years driving various vehicles in start-stop environments.
That said, I'd get the 2.4 as I prefer the extra 200cc capacity. If the 2.2 offered far better power and economy I'd get it, but power is basically the same while the economy improvement must be negligible or they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. |
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3rd Sep 2011 3:03pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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So if the DPF fails, how much is one to replace over the cost of not having one at all?
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3rd Sep 2011 3:06pm |
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| Carl l Member Since: 03 Sep 2011 Location: Northern Hemisphere Posts: 9 |
I think, off the top of my head, you're looking at about 1,200 pound, fitted at a main stealer. I haven't had one fail (my estate has 90k on it), but at 120k I'm pretty sure they are close to the end of their life. A downside and not a small amount, but over the life of the vehicle not a huge amount but certainly a little irksome. For the record, I'm not a huge fan of DPFs largely due to the heat but this is what we have to stop the black smoke and at least they seem to have them "down". Current: 2011 Shogun SWB 3.2td 200hp stock, Auto (my knees are shot), but this is a great farm truck Prev: a Disco (got old), a Range Rover (too ostentatious) and a Defender (knees). Tractor: 1993 Ford 8830, 6.6td, 180hp at PTO stock |
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3rd Sep 2011 3:20pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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As far as the speed limit goes, get a 2.4 and justify the saving to fit a quality speed-unlimiter. Mine cost 500 quid and the Landy now goes smoothly above 90 mph with no "choking"  |
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17th Sep 2011 5:59pm |
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| Sockpuppet Member Since: 17 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Posts: 479
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One thing to consider if you live near London is that the 2.2 is Euro 5 and the 2.4 is Euro 4.
The LEZ needs at least Euro 4 now but in a few years that is bound to change so you may get more resale value on a Euro 5 which could still go into the zone. I no doubt that more and more of these LEZs will appear so if you're no plussed on the 2.2 vs 2.4 debate might be better to get a 2.2 to meet the newer regulations. |
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17th Sep 2011 9:03pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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... and I thought Munich's LEZ laws were bad...
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17th Sep 2011 9:12pm |
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