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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3641   
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well I can say I want one but probably cant afford one DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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12th Aug 2020 8:05pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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Seems that things are moving in the right direction!. Rgds.
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12th Aug 2020 8:15pm |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3748
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Still enjoying this more than the launch of the current New Defender.....
Not happy admitting that but this does spark something the new Defender doesn't... Its not even that I don't like the new one it just doesn't make me want one  |
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12th Aug 2020 8:20pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283 
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So, is anyone still saying Ratcliffe isn't serious, or that it isn't going to happen?
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12th Aug 2020 9:15pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727 
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The more videos I watch - the more I think the price is not going to be what was initially suggested.
I'm guessing that this will be £60k+ now, and therefore far outside what I would consider justifiably affordable. Oh well... cars as we know them today might not have that long left in our overcrowded world anyway. 2005 Td5 90 XS 1989 V8 110 CSW |
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13th Aug 2020 11:11am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206 
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Maybe not £60k, but I can't see it being under £40k with the VAT. With each video the proposed hardware gets more and more impressive (which is good), but more and more expensive looking. I was hoping for something starting at the top of the double cab pickup price range, but this is going to be way above that I reckon. I think you can just about get a H-iLux up to £35k in the UK if you tick every option.
In Europe there are no other vehicles in this class at that sort of price that I can think of, to help gauge if there is a market or not. There is no point comparing it to the new Defender, Merc G Class etc as they are all fundamentally aimed at a different customer. I would say it is highly likely to turn out more expensive than the 70 series Land Cruiser where that is sold. Maybe comparable to the Merc G-Professional, but I'm not sure exactly what they cost, where you can buy them or how many of those get sold. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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13th Aug 2020 11:33am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526 
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It certainly looks impressive and hope it will be a success. Can I afford one? That's debatable at the moment - depends on how much north of £40,000 it is when launched. Defender 90XS SW
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13th Aug 2020 1:15pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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The one thing it has in common with the new Defender is that they both have automatic gearboxes. I'd prefer manual. He gives his reasons as to why he chose to go the automatic route but I am sure a seasoned off roader could give equally valid reasons for a manual gear change. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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13th Aug 2020 5:22pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206
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I think that's just their agreed party line. The real reason they are using an auto is that is what that BMW engine is designed to work with. I don't think it is offered with a manual in any application. They are just using what they can get. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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13th Aug 2020 5:48pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1316 
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I wonder if ZF are also supplying the transfer box?
I suspect that even if they could offer a manual box, the largest demand from fleet and utility operators nowadays will be for an auto with less opportunity for users burning out clutches and other abuse from inappropriate down shifting and labouring of the engine in too high a gear. Incidentally the ZF 8HP is currently fitted in the latest generation Jeep Wrangler, albeit branded as a Chrysler Torqueflite 850RE. |
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13th Aug 2020 6:09pm |
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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 881 
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The zf auto box will probably be better for emissions and economy testing too. Im sure they looked at the options but paired with the bmw engine it does seem like it would be the way to go
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13th Aug 2020 6:11pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206
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It says they are using a bespoke transfer box, but not sure who is building it. I hope they specify a realistic service interval for gearbox oil and filter changes. A lot of car makers don’t even though ZF themselves do. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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13th Aug 2020 7:20pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17361 
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I think the time is close when all new vehicles have to have auto boxes to comply with emissions regulations.
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13th Aug 2020 8:26pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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Or no gearbox at all if they have to go pure electric BEV, just forwards, stop/neutral and backwards Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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13th Aug 2020 8:33pm |
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