Tim in Scotland wrote:

Supacat wrote:

Philm wrote:

There are recalls for the Pivi Pro and the steering, mine goes in on Tuesday for them.

When you say "recall" do you mean that it's a full motor industry /Govt recall or is it more of a Technical Service Bulletin/Servive Message?

I cannot see how Privi Pro would be a “danger to life/ safety “ item needing a recall - suspect both these are TSB.

Philm - is th eteering one for the over intrusive Lane Assist system because mine is switched off as much as I can go down through the layers but it still cuts in which is a pain on the narrow roads around here where our generous council has white lined the road edges along the verge

zilch wrote:

PB I find the issue is that people sometimes think that D3/4 or RRS owners are
characterised by the Knightsbridge and chamonix set, there seems to be a lack
of appreciation that in markets such as Oz, South Africa and parts of the US there
are a significant number of owners that enjoy touring and over landing.. many
of my off road trips have been done with like minded LR owners.. This picture
was the start of our Cape York adventure, towed a 1.6 ton camper trailer
over 2000 K's without a bit of bitumen in sight, including sections of the Old Telegraph
track.. The new defender will be spending a large part of its first year off road doing a
lap of OZ, i would not buy a new Defender if i did not have faith in its ability to get me
where i want to go



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100inch wrote:

And yes you are right that most users here are JLR owners but not all are equal.

100inch wrote:

.... probably seen more off road than most Defenders on here. I normally check out other peoples LR's here and this often tells the story how they use their car and how much 'old school' they are. Or at least think they are.

100inch wrote:

Or when I drove an Evoque in Icleand. In winter.

100inch wrote:

And yes you are right that most users here are JLR owners but not all are equal.

100inch wrote:

.... probably seen more off road than most Defenders on here. I normally check out other peoples LR's here and this often tells the story how they use their car and how much 'old school' they are. Or at least think they are.

100inch wrote:

Or when I drove an Evoque in Icleand. In winter.

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And yes you are right that most users here are JLR owners but not all are equal.

Grenadier wrote:

As I mentioned previously, there are always exceptions and clearly our Aussie contingent have a healthy gang who like to take them into the wilderness, but that probably accounts for no more than a single percent of all global RRS sales. .

i think i have mentioned before Grenadier, i would assume it is very much territory dependent and the accessibility
of tracks/trails. do the dealers encourage owners of new vehicles to join local off road clubs etc. LR have been
reasonably active in supporting local owner clubs in NSW, especially around greater Sydney, which provides
opportunity for new and old owners the ability to learn and enjoy their Landies at their full potential
Whether a Disco, RRS or classic Defender when they were sold new. That encourages people to get out more
with a level of confidence on club trips, with the families and mates, whether short weekends or longer tours.

I cannot comment on dealers in the UK today, but between 1997-2005 when we had our D1 and D2's and lived
in sunny Bucks, i cannot remember once being asked by our dealer whether we had any interest in joining any
local LR or off road clubs. Different attitude and frame of mind no doubt

In regard to percentages, i do not doubt it is very low, but i would humbly suggest that owners of the late model
classics say 2014-16, how many of them are actually out in the wilds, more likely wrapped in cotton wool waiting
for the investment to continue to rise.

Your mate who sky dives in brogues , ex Guards by any chance ?? i was R Sigs for 9 years, so
no doubt would wear something more practical ..

My affinity with Land Rovers goes back 40 years when i passed my Army driving Test in an Airportable lightweight,
driven SWB and LWB utilities, FFR's, Snatch and mineproofs, owned a classic V8 RR, D1's, D2's, 2 RRS, i am maybe
misguided, but loyal to the LR brand from a perspective they have served me well both in the military and civilian
life, I do not see the new Defender being anyone different, its a continuing story.. with the odd blip of course  yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

100inch wrote:

Some compete with their keyboards, some behind a steering wheel. Hope we are not running into a popcorn shortage.

100inch wrote:

Or when I drove an Evoque in Icleand. In winter.

Ecco wrote:

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And yes you are right that most users here are JLR owners but not all are equal.

..of course..some are smart enough not waste such amount of money on to atrocious pile of metal..