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| ChrisDefender Member Since: 29 Oct 2015 Location: Midlands Posts: 454  
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Hi,
A while back I put the LOF vented discs etc on the front and I am very happy with them. 
I didn't go for the calipers, though, I think from memory I had genuine ones put on. Hope this helps. Last edited by ChrisDefender on 27th Jul 2020 10:58am. Edited 1 time in total |
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27th Jul 2020 10:16am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021  
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Is the LOF stuff not just painted calipers with stainless pistons?
stainless have less chance of seizing as less likely to corrode but they still corrode. If you are low mileage vehicle and not heavy on the brakes anything will eventually corrode and give you seized pistons. personally for the price of aftermarket calipers compared to any 'super' calipers out there i would just fit aftermarket ones if you are not happy rebuilding your own. I don't see the value in paying ££££ for upgraded calipers on a defender unless its had serious engine, gearbox and suspension work so it drives more like a car and needs better stopping power. Standard , properly setup defender brakes work well. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop Last edited by jst on 27th Jul 2020 2:17pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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27th Jul 2020 10:52am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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Calipers are relatively inexpensive and easy to replace. I've always tended just to fit a new set of AP or Delphi calipers every second set of pads/100k miles or so. I have found that by the time the pistons start to stick the whole caliper has become fairly gnarly anyway.
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27th Jul 2020 12:38pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021
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my point exactly. Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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27th Jul 2020 2:17pm |
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| MikeJ Member Since: 04 May 2014 Location: Dorchester, Dorset Posts: 41 
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I used these guys to refurb the old factory ones on my old 90 :
http://biggred.co.uk/ lots cheaper than new and came back as new within a few days. Mike (no affiliation) |
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27th Jul 2020 2:31pm |
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| ozzie1989 Member Since: 25 Feb 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 282  
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I've just done mine front and back... I used LOF but went for the standard road spec discs and pads. I also opted to pay the extra £20 for a set of timkin bearings per axle and did those whilst I had the hubs off. Their kit was comprehensive and the quality of their stuff is great.
I then used LR direct to purchase AP Lockheed calipers (same as genuine but significantly cheaper) as I found their prices very competitive plus they had a few bolts and bearing spacers I wanted cheaper than anywhere else. Regarding calipers, because I don't do a lot of mileage once the pads wear my pistons end up getting covered in mud, road grime and salt in winter which corrodes them. Although I got 65k miles out of these brakes over 10 years, so I can't really complain, for the cost of a set of pads I'll probably replace them every 2 years to keep the pistons in and protected as far as possible. This should increase the life of the calipers and prevent sticking pistons etc. Note on my 110 the rear discs and pads were at the end of their life, however the fronts were only half worn. Sadly I had a sticky piston too so ended up doing the whole axle for peace of mind. Apparently the rears on the 110 do wear a lot quicker than the front, probably because they are smaller and there is more weight at the back. Now: 2010 2.4 TDCi 110 Utility Wagon Then: 2004 2.5 TD5 90 Hard Top (X-Tech Edition) |
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29th Jul 2020 9:24pm |
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| bear100 Member Since: 22 Mar 2010 Location: South Wales Posts: 1913 
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I fitted the full power spec kit front and rear complete with new bearings
Got to say I was impressed with the quality, packaging, delivery and price. I also painted the callipers black with high temperature paint from Buzzweld, from a corrosion point of view as well as looks, while I was at it I changed the brake hoses for Pinoeer stainless. I now have a brilliant braking system and well chuffed with the results! Another member on the forum pointed me in this direction and I’m glad he did! 2016 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 TDV8 2010 110 XS Utility 2.4TDCI 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 (gone) 2007 Discovery HSE TDV6 (gone) 1993 110 csw 200 tdi (gone) 1994 90 HT 300 tdi (gone) 1994 discovery 300tdi (gone) 90 hybrid 3.5 v8 (gone) Range rover bobtail 3.5 v8 (gone) Last edited by bear100 on 30th Jul 2020 9:49am. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Jul 2020 10:05pm |
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| Ihod Member Since: 07 Nov 2015 Location: Berkshire Posts: 165 
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Very many thanks for the responses and advice, all.
Food for thought. I'm putting the shopping list together now and will let you know how it goes. Ian MY1998 300Tdi 90 Hard Top (Now Soft Top) MY2015 110 XS SW - Sold MY2008 110 County USW - Sold MY1962 Series IIa Truck Cab - Sold MY1994 300Tdi 90 Hard Top - Sold MY2001 TD5 90 Truck Cab - Sold |
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30th Jul 2020 8:42am |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10381
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LOF brakes are apparently made by Hi-Spec and after a guy from the rally club said they were garbage and flexed under heavy braking, I looked for myself..
https://www.google.com/search?ei=6YoiX_fdK...ent=psy-ab However, Dan at DT has just put the bigger LOF conversion on a 90 he has LS swapped and reckons they were impressive, though you have to go to 18's for this. My v8 does not hang about, I have standard 110 front brakes and green EBC pads, it stops as I want it to. |
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30th Jul 2020 8:59am |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727  
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So question on that Greeni - is there a difference between a standard 110 front brakes and a 90 setup?
I've just fitted a standard to the 110 a set of new AP front calipers and standard size but vented/slotted discs from Tarox, as the current Tarox discs on the 90 have lasted well and don't seem to rust like some do. However I did (and still am) mulling over if I should have gone for a proper upgrade, with the LOF kit for example, which I think is smaller enough to fit under a 17" rim. Having a previously fitted an (expensive) big brake kit (Brembo) to a old Golf I used to have, it gave much improved braking feel, in that I felt I could modulate them a lot better - plus of course it didn't fade like the standard ones. However you did have to press on the brake pedal quite firmly for the same braking force - and if anything the 90 feels a little under servo'd as it is. 2005 Td5 90 XS 1989 V8 110 CSW |
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30th Jul 2020 11:59am |
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| souster4 Member Since: 11 May 2014 Location: West midlands Posts: 153
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how do the LOF discs and pads compare to OEM in regard to braking performance?
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30th Jul 2020 10:16pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021
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you would have to press harder for same feel as your displacing more fluid in bigger caliper/piston SA. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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31st Jul 2020 7:08am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021
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std setup is more than capable of locking wheels on std vehicle if it doesnt then something needs looking at.
fit upgraded pads etc to reduce brake fade if driving beyond standard defender requirements but a std caliper will do whats required with off the shelf std pads. you will see an improvement if you fit upgraded parts as it will mask to a certain extent the fault that was originally and probably still is there. free moving pistons, good seals, good vacuum and no air is pretty much all thats required. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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31st Jul 2020 7:11am |
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| ozzie1989 Member Since: 25 Feb 2009 Location: Wales Posts: 282
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Agree, the RoadSPEC LOF kit + new AP calipers on all 4 corners has transformed my braking - and I'm not even trying to brake to much yet as bedding them in
My only bit of additional advice is ensure you put a reasonable amount of copper slip on the pads (both on the edge where they sit against the caliper and slide, as well as against the pistons. This is because the pads are a fraction smaller (I would say) than the original LR ones I took out and will otherwise rattle. Now: 2010 2.4 TDCi 110 Utility Wagon Then: 2004 2.5 TD5 90 Hard Top (X-Tech Edition) |
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