X4SKP wrote:

Gent's I have an update for you...

Yesterday I went for a drive in a new 110, (it was pre-agreed that no photos would be posted).

The photo thing ~ is that normal now? Why?

Supacat wrote:

You are confusing demand, measured as orders taken, and sales, more specifically retail sales.

To be clear JLR had retail sales of the new Defender of 200 vehicles to 31st March 2020. We'll have to wait until July, I think to know the Q1 FY21 figures.

When taking about demand, there should also be no confusion with regard to production and whether the vehicles are available to be sold or not. Not sure why you mention production?

JLR were vague about the actual numbers of orders taken, preferring to talk about demand in terms of online configurations instead and publish meaningless graphs with no scales. If the figures were good they would have been shouting it out loudly.

22K (11K for customers) is basically orders they have received in advance, and the reason i raise production is that they
have not been able to produce anything for the last few months to furnish dealer stock in any real quantity for US and other
markets. In the US dealers are asking anything up to 20K over list due to "market availability and conditions". My source is
one of the new defender social media groups where US buyers are bitching about dealer sharp practices, and many are
cooling their heels until there is more stock available, and in some cases if the D300 MHEV rocks up.. which is surprising as
i thought the US market would be all about big V8 gassers not diesels.

Hope we both agree that the next few months/quarters should be the real test once we all come out of the current crisis and
people maybe loosen the purse strings or not on major purchases..

at this juncture I propose not to bother debating it any further ..  yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

devnull wrote:

Maybe they want to be like Suzuki, no ads, no safari for 'influencers' from half of the world and bam more orders than factory can cope with

zilch wrote:

and a quick chart showing sales in Q4 in China.. whilst not at precovid levels, they have recovered a fair bit.

zilch wrote:

whatever the Chinese market is doing in the last 2 months, overall the pandemic has had a disastrous impact on the worlds economy, including vehicle production and sales, anyone thinking any differently must be living in Trump's alternative reality lala land.

zilch wrote:

updated after a bit of research

are you still banging on

Supacat wrote:

if you want to start a separate thread to talk about production, actual sales, sales practices, etc then please do so but it just muddies the water when the topic is demand prior to 1st deliveries.

zilch wrote:

and a quick chart showing sales in Q4 in China.. whilst not at precovid levels, they have recovered a fair bit.

zilch wrote:

whatever the Chinese market is doing in the last 2 months, overall the pandemic has had a disastrous impact on the worlds economy, including vehicle production and sales, anyone thinking any differently must be living in Trump's alternative reality lala land.

zilch wrote:

updated after a bit of research

Quote:

Opinions and facts...nothing like finding out some of the latter before letting loose with with the former.

zilch wrote:

are you still banging on

Supacat wrote:

if you want to start a separate thread to talk about production, actual sales, sales practices, etc then please do so but it just muddies the water when the topic is demand prior to 1st deliveries.

that sounds a riveting topic, no thanks

zilch wrote:

and a quick chart showing sales in Q4 in China.. whilst not at precovid levels, they have recovered a fair bit.

and yet your response to exactly that point when I made it made was: Confirming that China was ahead of the curve and
maybe more companies than volvo were bouncing back..

zilch wrote:

whatever the Chinese market is doing in the last 2 months, overall the pandemic has had a disastrous impact on the worlds economy, including vehicle production and sales, anyone thinking any differently must be living in Trump's alternative reality lala land.

Discussing the overall global market position not just China

zilch wrote:

updated after a bit of research

Quote:

Opinions and facts...nothing like finding out some of the latter before letting loose with with the former.

pot kettle black comes to mind..

I think you need to edit it a 5th time, it's still not making any sense... I think you've done so many 180 degree turns in your comments that you don't know which way is up

Loving your ability to say something, and stick to it... not:

zilch wrote:

at this juncture I propose not to bother debating it any further ..

markb110 wrote:

Supacat, I agree with your comment re test drive.

The LR Experience centres are still closed with no update as to when they will reopen.

We still have a half day voucher that we have saved just for the new Defender.

The ‘test drive’ at our local dealer consists of pulling of the forecourt onto a busy road and sitting in traffic, before getting to the A3 and driving at 70 miles an hour, off round a roundabout then back to the dealer. Basically nothing you could not do in a second hand Fiesta.

My wife buys new due to a good works scheme and has had a numerous vehicles since the original Freelander came out. Doing the half day is much more fun and informative than a dealer point and drive test.

Interestedly when taking the Velar around Eastnor the instructor said not to bother with the air suspension if the vehicle that she subsequently got, was going to be on PCP and never going to go off road. The additional costs for a road only vehicle was not worth the expense.

I am sure a sales person would have said the opposite.

markb110 wrote:

Interestedly when taking the Velar around Eastnor the instructor said not to bother with the air suspension if the vehicle that she subsequently got, was going to be on PCP and never going to go off road. The additional costs for a road only vehicle was not worth the expense.

I am sure a sales person would have said the opposite.

I took my Velar on coils as my salesman said the same it’s not worth the extra and adds no value come trade in. My one came on the coils/adaptive dampers which I think LR have now made optional

My 90 will be on coils, in my eyes £2k is a bit steep and again adds no value come trade my salesman agrees. Yeah it won’t be as good in the rough but it will do what I need.

J77 wrote:

I turned down the test drive of the 110, mainly because it’s a 90 on coils I’m going for and I don’t like just 15 mins with the car. I’d rather have at least 24hrs with it.

J77 wrote:

markb110 wrote:

Interestedly when taking the Velar around Eastnor the instructor said not to bother with the air suspension if the vehicle that she subsequently got, was going to be on PCP and never going to go off road. The additional costs for a road only vehicle was not worth the expense.

I am sure a sales person would have said the opposite.

I took my Velar on coils as my salesman said the same it’s not worth the extra and adds no value come trade in. My one came on the coils/adaptive dampers which I think LR have now made optional

My 90 will be on coils, in my eyes £2k is a bit steep and again adds no value come trade my salesman agrees. Yeah it won’t be as good in the rough but it will do what I need.