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zilch

Member Since: 11 Sep 2019
Location: Whitsundays & Sydney
Posts: 816

markb110 wrote:

What I am getting at is if you want the 90 as a passenger car and expect to carry anything more than a Ginsters pasty in the back, then buy the 110.

yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

21st May 2020 12:49am

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

markb110 wrote:
What I am getting at is if you want the 90 as a passenger car and expect to carry anything more than a Ginsters pasty in the back, then buy the 110. Don't expect the sales 'experts' to advise accordingly.

The old 90 was a perfect multi-purpose car for farm small family. You need the back space, fold away the back seats and get the fork lift to put an europallet in. You need to carry kiddies friends, use the back seats. You have to carry the missis and a bunch of her long paddock fence posts, put down flat the co seat load the posts get the missis on the back seat. Can you do this with the 'New', I doubt and when I read all that supercomputersh*t I am gonna puke. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.

21st May 2020 6:55am

sdv6rrs

Member Since: 18 Jun 2020
Location: Winchester
Posts: 7

I'm glad you had posted this. I had spotted it, but couldn't really believe it. I even popped into a stealers pre-lockdown to see if they had a 90 in (obvs, they didn't) to check.

I really thought a 90 was my next car, but this alone is a deal breaker. The seats don't go fully flat in my 2014MY RRS and it drives me insane, its really annoying (especially as they did in the previous model). However, not flat is infinitely better than a huge step in the load space. If they think this is workhorse they are sorely mistaken.

The other deal breaker is the engine choices, but that is another thread...

18th Jun 2020 7:22pm

MikeJ

Member Since: 04 May 2014
Location: Dorchester, Dorset
Posts: 41

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Fuji White

Are there any pictures of the 90 commercial load space yet?

22nd Jun 2020 12:36pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

NinetyTD4 wrote:
You need the back space, fold away the back seats and get the fork lift to put an europallet in.

How?

22nd Jun 2020 4:24pm

MikeJ

Member Since: 04 May 2014
Location: Dorchester, Dorset
Posts: 41

I was wondering that. Maybe if you have a drop down tailgate and canvas top.
Hard to get the fork lift near enough with a swing open door?

22nd Jun 2020 4:44pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17354

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Telehandler?

22nd Jun 2020 5:54pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3389

Supacat wrote:
NinetyTD4 wrote:
You need the back space, fold away the back seats and get the fork lift to put an europallet in.

How?

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22nd Jun 2020 5:54pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

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22nd Jun 2020 6:10pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3389

Start manufacturing a 90 boot floor.

22nd Jun 2020 6:14pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

My LR 88 has a bonnet mounted spare wheel so if I undo the homemade canvas check strap on the rear door it will open wide enough to allow a fork lift put a pallet in the back. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

23rd Jun 2020 6:21pm

Morepower

Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: Fife, Scotland
Posts: 630

MikeJ wrote:
Are there any pictures of the 90 commercial load space yet?

I don't think there will be a proper commercial Defender at all...At best they'll manage a VED qualifying for commercial purposes (Like the Ford Raptor Ranger)... However, It current;y doesn't manage the 1 tonne load capacity... So expect to get nailed on BIK, If you're lucky enough to be in the 40% tax bracket expect to be spending around £600 a month on BIK, Plus add in the chance that it won't manage to get in under the 40K luxury car cap and you'll be nailed on the road tax too... It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

2013 Bowler 110 (Sold)
2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold)

23rd Jun 2020 6:46pm

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

Supacat wrote:
NinetyTD4 wrote:
You need the back space, fold away the back seats and get the fork lift to put an europallet in.

How?

Like hedgehogs making love, careful. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.

24th Jun 2020 5:02am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17354

Morepower wrote:
MikeJ wrote:
Are there any pictures of the 90 commercial load space yet?

I don't think there will be a proper commercial Defender at all...At best they'll manage a VED qualifying for commercial purposes (Like the Ford Raptor Ranger)... However, It current;y doesn't manage the 1 tonne load capacity... So expect to get nailed on BIK, If you're lucky enough to be in the 40% tax bracket expect to be spending around £600 a month on BIK, Plus add in the chance that it won't manage to get in under the 40K luxury car cap and you'll be nailed on the road tax too...

Plus there seems to be some doubt as to whether they can get it under the 2-ton unladen weight limit necessary to qualify as a Dual Purpose Vehicle, and if they can't it would be subject to LGV reduced speed limits. Regardless of that if used commercially it will need a tachograph, and I bet that they've given the installation of a tacho as much thought as they did in the last Defender, i.e., none whatsoever.

24th Jun 2020 7:54am

MikeJ

Member Since: 04 May 2014
Location: Dorchester, Dorset
Posts: 41

I thought that the 1 tonne payload limit only applied to vehicles with 4 doors. Otherwise, it's commercial if it has no seats behind the driver and no side windows behind the driver. So the 1 tonne limit will apply for the 110, but not the 90.

I also don't think you need a tacho unless you are intending to tow long distances for work.
Under 7.5 tonnes train weight and within 100km of your van's base are exempt unless your job is the towing, rather than the carrying of the items for your job. (I hope that makes sense!). https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/2015/01/21/ch...ourneys-2/

Hopefully, it won't weigh more than 3.5 tonnes (!), so won't need a tacho in most cases.
However, it is likely to be over 2 tonnes, so the speed restriction will apply.

Cheers

Mike

24th Jun 2020 9:15am

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