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Ecco

Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 280

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Galway Green

..again..pretender life saver does nothing that others doesnt do in much more difficult condition...

6th Mar 2020 11:43pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

And what exactly are the difficult conditions in the videos above? Those are normal winter conditions for many of us and we expect any Land Rover including the New DEFENDER to be able to hack it in them.
I think that the postings in this thread have pretty well killed off the rumours of any lack of ability of the new vehicle and that it can handle everything that might be thrown at any Land Rover product. Just because it doesn’t look like a utility vehicle doesn’t mean it cannot be as capable (or possibly be even more capable) as one. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

7th Mar 2020 8:33am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

I think it's difficult for JLR to demonstrate this vehicle as being better than any previous vehicle - but that's what they are saying about it & people are just pointing out that all they are showing so far is things that previous iterations or different models have been able to do for the last 30 plus years.

A 5 star safari with charter jets, etc for the senior management and invited journos to go rip up the countryside in a foreign country seems a little off all the other messaging around tread lightly, sustainability, etc.

Contrast this with Roger Crathorne 50 years ago taking a development Range Rover on a competitive hill rally and winning:

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic71460.html

7th Mar 2020 9:25am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3425

Ecco - they ain’t difficult conditions, that’s a Scottish winter

Granted it probably wouldn’t pull a truck up the hill but my Velar handled worse.

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7th Mar 2020 10:29am

milesr3

Member Since: 12 Feb 2013
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 873

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Keswick Green

Tim in Scotland wrote:
I think that the postings in this thread have pretty well killed off the rumours of any lack of ability of the new vehicle

Agreed. It certainly seems to be extremely capable.

7th Mar 2020 12:39pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Nice.

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Richard Agnew (@theragers) Tweeted:
The inspirational John Kasaona from IRDNC. A leading light in African local community conservation, supported by @tusk_org and @Landrover @MayhewCharlie #namibia #newdefender #teamdefender #tusk https://t.co/ch5VyEJMT8 https://twitter.com/theragers/status/1236270170349461505?s=20

There's a winch there if you look really carefully, although it's a strange angle:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8_UpOqJ8oD/?igshid=16cnnd31djiw0

7th Mar 2020 12:44pm

Not_Given

Member Since: 25 Dec 2017
Location: UK
Posts: 94

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Orkney Grey

Every time I see one of these Namibia pictures I can’t help thinking that the tyres at the corners don’t look like they’d fit in that spare-wheel carrier. Carrying a ‘second’ spare on the roof only raises the eyebrow further.

Nothing against non-stock rubber, but surely it’s not been designed so a modified spare won’t hang in the normal place? Anyone shed any light?

NG

7th Mar 2020 1:04pm

Ecco

Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 280

Tim in Scotland wrote:
And what exactly are the difficult conditions in the videos above? Those are normal winter conditions for many of us and we expect any Land Rover including the New DEFENDER to be able to hack it in them.
I think that the postings in this thread have pretty well killed off the rumours of any lack of ability of the new vehicle and that it can handle everything that might be thrown at any Land Rover product. Just because it doesn’t look like a utility vehicle doesn’t mean it cannot be as capable (or possibly be even more capable) as one.

..and what exactly are the difficult conditions pretender is experiencing, on route successfully completed with older LR generations ? Thats the question to ask..do you see anything at all, that old rigs cant do?? No, you dont.... it shows nothing spectacular that other trucks are not capable of, and im sure, plenty of stuff presented is 'make up' by journalist who will never ever report anything bad with vehicle, as they are part of PR campaign..

7th Mar 2020 1:19pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

Why do you keep referring to a “pretender” the new Defender is not pretending to be anything other than a very modern and capable vehicle for the 21st century. There are several conditions where I would much sooner use any modern Land Rover product over my Defender - icy roads being one where my previous RRS’s and FFRR’s on winter tyres have been far superior to my non-ABSand non-Traction Control equipped 1996 Defender - my Defender also has 400mm LESS wading depth than any of my much missed modern Land Rover products which also didn’t need things like gearbox and axle breathers unlike my 90 Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

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7th Mar 2020 1:31pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Not_Given wrote:
Every time I see one of these Namibia pictures I can’t help thinking that the tyres at the corners don’t look like they’d fit in that spare-wheel carrier. Carrying a ‘second’ spare on the roof only raises the eyebrow further.

Nothing against non-stock rubber, but surely it’s not been designed so a modified spare won’t hang in the normal place? Anyone shed any light?

NG

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That’s a good spot ~ not conclusive from these three photos but it does look to be two different sizes.

7th Mar 2020 1:33pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3425

Ecco wrote:
Tim in Scotland wrote:
And what exactly are the difficult conditions in the videos above? Those are normal winter conditions for many of us and we expect any Land Rover including the New DEFENDER to be able to hack it in them.
I think that the postings in this thread have pretty well killed off the rumours of any lack of ability of the new vehicle and that it can handle everything that might be thrown at any Land Rover product. Just because it doesn’t look like a utility vehicle doesn’t mean it cannot be as capable (or possibly be even more capable) as one.

..and what exactly are the difficult conditions pretender is experiencing, on route successfully completed with older LR generations ? Thats the question to ask..do you see anything at all, that old rigs cant do?? No, you dont.... it shows nothing spectacular that other trucks are not capable of, and im sure, plenty of stuff presented is 'make up' by journalist who will never ever report anything bad with vehicle, as they are part of PR campaign..

What do you want the new Defender to do? cartwheels? handstands perhaps?

7th Mar 2020 1:40pm

Martin
Site Admin

Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6633

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Can we lay off with the constant negativity please.

As I’ve said before, if you’ve nothing constructive to add then please don’t. This isn’t a forum for new Defender haters to provoke and annoy others. Go elsewhere to do that.

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

7th Mar 2020 1:48pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

How about demonstrate or even explain what lies behind the claims that it is comprehensively better than any previous JLR vehicle?

7th Mar 2020 1:50pm

Not_Given

Member Since: 25 Dec 2017
Location: UK
Posts: 94

Supacat wrote:
Not_Given wrote:
Every time I see one of these Namibia pictures I can’t help thinking that the tyres at the corners don’t look like they’d fit in that spare-wheel carrier. Carrying a ‘second’ spare on the roof only raises the eyebrow further.

Nothing against non-stock rubber, but surely it’s not been designed so a modified spare won’t hang in the normal place? Anyone shed any light?

NG

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That’s a good spot ~ not conclusive from these three photos but it does look to be two different sizes.

Didn’t think to compare with those shots. Good one, Supercat! Maybe the tyre is always that shape under the cover and the flat bit is so you don’t obscure your number plate. It’s not a flat, it’s a feature!

7th Mar 2020 2:42pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3425

It’s designed for up to 22” rims, is that wheel/tyre bigger than a 22” rim and tyre?

7th Mar 2020 4:48pm

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