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familymad



Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
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 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
That’s best described as ‘busy’. The real Defender is beautiful because of the simplistic design and lines. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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familymad



Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
Posts: 3481
 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
It’s a no from me 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
Post #817586 29th Feb 2020 7:16pm
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Arkaig



Member Since: 01 Feb 2020
Location: Highland
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Scotland 
Supacat wrote:
In the patent for the winch fitting kit it states "rather than retro fit... can be installed during assembly of the vehicle..., for example on a vehicle production line, in place of the vehicle bumper beam."


That may well be contained within the patent, however for all UK-destined Defenders the winch and mounting kit is in fact a dealer fit.
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Post #817587 29th Feb 2020 7:24pm
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J77



Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
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Farm duties


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Slideywindows



Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
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I keep following this thread, hoping that one day I might find the vehicle just a tiny bit attractive.

Instead, the opposite is happening.

All it has achieved so far is to make old Freelander 1's seem attractive, which I never thought before! Shocked

(So I've just bought a Td4 FL for £500 to park on my front drive for the benefit of any passing thieving scumbags, while I keep my Defenders elsewhere).


Happy to use one of these new Defenders for the same purpose, when they come down to £500. Whistle


Meanwhile, I appreciate that some people like the new vehicle, so I genuinely wish you good luck and a happy ownership experience with them.
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markb110



Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
When they get down to £500 methinks that you will be using it as a hen coop... Rolling with laughter
Post #817625 29th Feb 2020 9:33pm
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dailysleaze



Member Since: 23 May 2013
Location: United Kingdom
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United Kingdom 
Supacat wrote:
RDR wrote:
Spoke to my dealer today he said 90 orders were going way beyond their expectations. He has had 8 110 orders move to new 90 orders but instantly filled the 110 order slots with customers wanting it earlier. They are above internal targets on both models.


Did they quote any numbers or is it just marketing Censored 101 based on this:

Supacat wrote:
It appears to come from this:

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From JLR's ROADSHOW INVESTOR PRESENTATION NOVEMBER 2019
https://www.jaguarlandrover.com/2016/repor...-downloads

which then had the actual numbers taken off it and re-appeared as this with a longer timeline:


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From JLR's FY20 Q3 RESULTS PRESENTATION
https://www.jaguarlandrover.com/2016/repor...-downloads


An internal target of what, 750? orders after 19 weeks... Rolling Eyes


The only thing worse than a graph with no axis units is one with units that don't start at zero Laughing
Post #817635 29th Feb 2020 10:03pm
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Fat Cog



Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Oxfordshire & Devon
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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
isacs wrote:
Defender X anybody??


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I thought the 90 was going to be ok-ish but OMG, this is just awful; the more I see them, the more I think that the Defender name really should have been dropped completely... Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains
Post #817643 29th Feb 2020 11:00pm
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custom90



Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
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I mean just look at the front end on that Sir. Whistle Shocked Rolling with laughter

Shocked $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Ecco



Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 280
Malaysia 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Galway Green
...this thing is not going to make money JLR needs..no way that this will make money..
Post #817649 1st Mar 2020 12:41am
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RDR



Member Since: 27 Apr 2018
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I think that example above is a good example of what colour combinations don’t work. I had a similar issue when I tried black plastic wheel arches on my santorini d4 it made the plastics look awful, strangely java black worked on the d3 though! the arb bumper upto the nava (presumably) bonnet does not blend well. Same goes for the black wheels against the wheel arch trim.


@supacat you ask about numbers quoted above, they were the only numbers. no way was he letting in their internal targets other than to say they had underestimated orders and were surprised. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV
D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold
D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold
D4 MY12 HSE - Gone
D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
Post #817653 1st Mar 2020 7:02am
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J77



Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
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The 90 looks fine


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The problem with that X is it’s silver, which is a horrible colour on any car, and it has too many accessories on it that clash with the silver, silver/black never a good look.
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diduan



Member Since: 13 Oct 2016
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I think the 90 looks right as it is a 100" wheel base. A bit larger than the classic 90 but also more compact than 110. On the orher hand the new 110 is a 120 and this looks too long and short to me and is far from the proportions of a classic 110. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt
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RDR



Member Since: 27 Apr 2018
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The first 110 I had a look round was in access height with no roof accessories it did look a bit long but then after seeing it again in the flesh at standard height and in off-road with the expo rack it looked great much better. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV
D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold
D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold
D4 MY12 HSE - Gone
D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
Post #817662 1st Mar 2020 8:09am
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markb110



Member Since: 22 May 2010
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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
I think that the other thing with that Defender X that makes it look bad is at plus £82k it’s never going to go off-road so why spec it as such.

Off road looks a rubbish wheels and tyres.......trying to have all the looks and no idea. Almost feel sorry for the neighbours. Whistle
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