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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3394  
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According to LR USA it can tow 8201 lbs which is 3.7t roughly.
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15th Dec 2019 12:44am |
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| King Luis Member Since: 23 Oct 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 42 
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i'd say "more capable" is a marketing word to a point. is it better than most competitors, yes. is it more capable than them, yes. so using the word isn't wrong. does the design and other requirements hold back on some of the capabilities? for sure. interior space might be down versus the old defender, but safety is leaps and bounds better. so is overall performance and comfort.
what is the trunk space difference between the old 110 and new 110? |
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16th Dec 2019 3:58pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20347 
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the D5 doesn’t tow more anyway, so if that claim is correct it’d be fairly immaterial seeing as the D5 “probably” can do more.
I haven’t got the time, interest or inclination to check stats though. The biggest thing I don’t like about the new Def is how it looks. It could tow 8T for all I care but I just don’t care for it at all. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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16th Dec 2019 5:20pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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The traditional...old...whatever...Defender could tow 4 tonnes with coupled brakes. So a drop down in capability there. Off road I have a funny feeling the old 90 will still be cream of the crop.
As I see it several vehicles were in some ways more capable than a Defender. A unimog for example, even a land cruiser, but I didn't want either of those because there was just something about a Defender. It isnt just down to capability. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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16th Dec 2019 8:49pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795 
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That statement “just something about a defender” certainly sums it up for me completely
 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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16th Dec 2019 9:36pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2630  
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Before the Jeep Gladiator was released Jeep entered the vehicle into the Everyman Challenge at the King Of the Hammers.
It took a beating but it finished the event before the time cut off. JLR need to come up with something very special to convince us that it is nothing more than a PCP loan mall cruiser. That last video of the vehicle being driven around a flat course that would have been more fun in a 90's Peugeot 205 GTI . Will we see it at the Rain Forest Trophy? No, will we see it at the Breslau Rally? No. Will we see it driving round Europe in the hands of a telly chief - afraid so. |
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16th Dec 2019 10:33pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5804  
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Beyond any LR Off Road experiences, the only place I can imagine these Defenders will be seen ‘properly’ off road, is perhaps in replacing Land Cruisers for luxury sand-dune/desert day trips in Dubai. Maybe. But I cannot see anyone else using such an expensive and complicated car in genuine, far-flung off road adventures when you can use a simpler, likely more reliable and equally comfortable Land Cruiser if you want a newer car, or Defender, if you want to get back to basics. Clearly, Jeep if you’re in N America. By most, this will be used in towns/cities on tarmac. Some might then take it away on weekends and experience a gravel track to access a campsite in Brecon, some grassy fields for their shoot in Suffolk, or some sand on a beach in Devon. The capability this vehicle needs to be to do that type of off roading has probably been far exceeded.
 Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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17th Dec 2019 7:49am |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283
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Old 110.  Click image to enlarge Old 110. Click image to enlarge New 110? Over to you..... |
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17th Dec 2019 11:04pm |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 817 
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I can only assume you have not been to or know that there is quite an active group of LR owners and clubs in Australia who regularly test their D3’s, D4’s and Rangie Soorts in what can be some of the most challenging conditions. Some organised club trips through to individuals/groups getting to see the lesser explored areas of Oz. They cope very well and can easily match the Tojo brigade in terms of capability. Noting a lot of the Tech in the defender is a carry over from the Discovery and RR Sports, Terrain Response +TR2, air Suspension, I do not think it will have any problem meeting the harsh rigours of the Australian terrain yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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18th Dec 2019 4:09am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5804
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G’day Zilch.
Yes I do know, just as there are owners of D3s/4s/RRS etc in the UK and elsewhere who also enjoy some off-roading. But relative to total owner numbers, especially at the D4/RRS end (the price point of the new Def), they will be few and far between. I would guess single digit percentages. Given the Defender has been THE go-anywhere, do anything model in the LR range for 75 years, a much higher percentage of owner are happy, indeed willing, to do some serious off-roading, whether that be for work or for fun. My point was that the target owner and target price for this new Defender means (IMHO) those numbers will plummet and this vehicle will rarely ever be anywhere close to serious mud or off-road terrain. It purports to be the most capable car/Defender ever, but the vast majority will never, ever be tested as such. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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18th Dec 2019 7:42am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 817
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Some salient points G , it would also be interesting to know what percentage of the last of the old
model actually off road or are cosseted away as investments people are asking stupid prices
for 4 year old Def in Oz, you can get the new model on road for about the same money yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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18th Dec 2019 9:01am |
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| King Luis Member Since: 23 Oct 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 42
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i put twelve eight 2x4x8's in my 4 door gold along with a 4x5 sheet of plywood, a 8inch mitre saw and some other random stuff. maybe the golf is more capable? the capability of cars these days are leaps and bounds above what anyone can do unless they are an expert in racing/off-roading/etc. so of course the new LRs aren't being brought close to their limits. but most ford focus st or even rs's aren't either. all the porsches you see out there aren't being tracked or pushed either. does that mean they shouldn't be made? and for the record, an old defender in Canada can range from $40k for rotted and needs work to $150k for a fully restored and modded one. while the new one starts at $50k. bringing purchase price into the matter and the new defender is a bargain versus the old. regardless of what it can or cannot do compared to the old ones or even the new jeeps. (new jeep with similar features is around $45k). |
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19th Dec 2019 2:28pm |
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