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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400   
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For me, anything that requires continual attention to make the thing work as I think it should, whether major or minor, because if it needs third party attention it inconveniences me. Obviously roadside breakdowns are top of that list but for me, everything has an irritation value, and once the irritation value is exceeded then it has to go. --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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13th Sep 2019 8:57am |
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| Landish Member Since: 19 Jun 2018 Location: UK Posts: 74  
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Has anyone noticed how much the pricing and specifications vary between markets? I looked at the LR USA site and found that the P300 110 starts at the equivalent of £41,000 (at today’s exchange rate). You can get a 6 cylinder P400 SE with metallic paint for the equivalent of £52,000. I am guessing that they will sell quite well in the US (unless Mr T applies huge tariffs).
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13th Sep 2019 9:20am |
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| tmichel Member Since: 23 May 2016 Location: Oberhausen Posts: 7 
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If I remember correctly prices on US web sites are usually without VAT?
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13th Sep 2019 9:59am |
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| leonvh Member Since: 31 Dec 2013 Location: Plombires Posts: 69  
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Local taxes have a big influence on the price. I guess the Netherlands are the best example of that:
Click image to enlarge Yes, that is more than €56,000 on taxes just buying the car! the next financial hurdle is to pay the taxes that allow you to drive it on the road... |
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13th Sep 2019 10:14am |
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| Landish Member Since: 19 Jun 2018 Location: UK Posts: 74
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US state sales tax averages about 5.75% but it still makes it one of the cheaper places to buy a car at the moment (until or unless they add tariffs for cars built outside the US). 2005 Defender 90 TD5
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13th Sep 2019 10:36am |
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| Beefster Member Since: 21 Feb 2014 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 10 
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I just don't get it - who is this for? For my money the new Defender should have been something in the 20-25K bracket along the lines of the Ranger/L200/DMAX but spec'd for passengers not pick-up Not having seen one in the metal its hard to say but from the images I've seen it looks okay, few things niggling me though. 1) Fake chequer plate as standard! - Not a fan of CP at best of times (I know in some cases has practical application) but personally I hate the stuff. Also, whats the betting there's a disclaimer in the hand book telling you not to actually stand on it! 2) Looks like someone dropped the ball when the designs were sketched out as they must have done them on headed LandRover paper and some how the letterhead logo got transferred into the rear window section - can't explain that weird solid panel any other way? 3) Quite like the back, echos of original, but with the freedom of design LEDs give why did they go with square rear lights over round? 4) The front is too bruta,l would it have killed them to have some nice grilles in there or is all that plastic hiding a multitude of cross bracing? 5) Fly-by-wire brakes??? Time will tell, hope they supply spare trousers in the cubby box. Ah they use it all the time in aeroplanes Grandad - yes, yes they do (not without incident), but aircraft are also maintained to an incredibly high level, how's an eight year old second hand one out of warranty going to be? Might seem I have a bit of downer on the new Defender but as a car it looks fine, got some nice touches, and some interesting tech - but is it a Defender? No its another tech-heavy luxury car which happens to be called Defender - could just as easily be the next Discovery or Evoque. A missed opportunity for Landrover. I suppose the acid test will be Wave or No Wave - personally I think no wave, not from any sense of malice just that you probably wont be able to spot one half a mile away, just another corporate box in a sea of characterless boxes. |
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13th Sep 2019 11:43am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3287 
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Regardless of price tag all Land Rovers suffer with terrible reliability and QC problems but Defenders are relatively cheap to fix. ‘Gerry built’ ones are not. |
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13th Sep 2019 6:30pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Just reading more on the survey. "This year, we’ve examined information from 18,119 readers about their cars, including details of any problems they’ve had in the past 12 months, how long each took to be fixed and how much they had to pay out for repair bills. It’s those last two factors that we take into account to create our unique reliability ratings for each model and manufacturer, the cars with a tendency to be stuck in the workshop for the longest and those which cost owners the most to fix are penalised most heavily – not simply those that suffer numerous faults." So the same fault occurring with the same frequency will have a" more unreliable" outcome on a car where the part costs more? Not sure that makes sense to me. Reliability for luxury SUVs aged up to five years old: Rank Make and model Score 1. Volkswagen Touareg 2010-2018 96.0% 2. BMW X5 2013-2018 92.1% 3. Porsche Macan 2014-on 92.0% 4. Mercedes GLE 2015-on 91.9% 5. Audi Q7 2015-on 89.4% 6. Range Rover Sport 2014-on 88.4% 7. Volvo XC90 2015-on 86.9% 8. Land Rover Discovery 2017-on 83.6% 9. Land Rover Discovery 2004-2017 82.5% 10. Range Rover Velar 2017-on 77.9% 11. Range Rover 2013-on 69.3% Results for Large SUVs aged up to five years old: Rank Make and model Score 1 Toyota RAV4 2013-2019 99.5% 2 Honda CR-V petrol 2012-2018 98.7% 3 Mazda CX-5 petrol 2017-on 97.8% 4 Volvo XC60 2017-on 97.7% 5 Mazda CX-5 diesel 2017-on 96.4% 6 Audi Q5 diesel 2008-2017 96.3% 7 Skoda Kodiaq 2017-on 95.9% 8 Subaru Forseter 2013-2018 95.6% =10 Ford Kuga 2013-on 95.4% =10 Audi Q5 petrol 2017-on 95.4% 11 Volvo XC60 2008-2017 95.3% 12 Mercedes GLC 2015-on 92.5% =14 Audi Q5 diesel 2017-on 92.3% =14 Jaguar F-Pace 2016-on 92.3% 15 Kia Sorento 2015-on 92.1% 16 Honda CR-V diesel 2012-2018 90.6% 17 BMW X3 diesel 2010-2018 90.5% 18 BMW X3 2018-on 88.4% 19 Mazda CX-5 diesel 2012-2017 84.2% 20 Hyundai Santa Fe 2013-2018 82.5% 21 Land Rover Discovery Sport 2014-on 81.9% 22 Ford Edge 2016-on 80.7% 23 Nissan X-Trail 2014-on 77.1% Reliability for family SUVs aged up to five years old: Rank Make and model Score 1. Kia Sportage 2016-on 98.6% 2. Volvo XC40 2018-on 98.4% 3. Audi Q3 petrol 2011-2018 98.0% 4. Peugeot 3008 diesel 2017-on 97.8% 5. Peugeot 3008 petrol 2017-on 97.0% 6. Suzuki SX4 S-Cross 2013-on 96.9% 7. Hyundai Tucson 2015-on 96.6% 8. Volkswagen Tiguan 2016-on 96.0% 9. Volkswagen Tiguan 2007-2016 95.7% 10. Kia Sportage 2010-2016 95.3% 11. Toyota C-HR 2016-on 95.0% 12. Seat Ateca 2016-on 94.7% 13. BMW X1 2015-on 93.8% 14. Mercedes GLA 2014-on 92.7% =15. Jaguar E-Pace 2017-on 91.8% =15. Skoda Karoq 2017-on 91.8% 17. Audi Q3 diesel 2011-2018 90.4% 18. Dacia Duster 2013-2018 90.1% 19. Nissan Qashqai diesel 2014-on 83.3% 20. Nissan Qashqai petrol 2014-on 82.1% 21. Renault Kadjar 2015-on 81.3% 22. Range Rover Evoque 2011-on 78.4% Pretty much a clean sweep across the complete model range  and a large proportion of vehicles were off the road more than a week to fix  |
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15th Sep 2019 4:38am |
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| NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972 
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Wife runs one of these. Petrol T5-R, goes like stink. Reliable, yes. Superficially a very nice place to be. But the ride is.... not great and some of the trim that's not in your immediate eye line is made of the cheapest plastics known to man. It's a very competent car with an elevated seating position, decent boot, great legroom and some modest winter driving capability. It's not a Land Rover.
54 Freelander modded for mud 2008 D3 SE 2010 90 XS SW 1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner 2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone 2006 D3 SE - gone 2004 Freelander Sport - gay 1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits |
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15th Sep 2019 1:34pm |
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| gizze Member Since: 14 Mar 2019 Location: Norfolk Posts: 5
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I felt the need to comment on this. I am on here as I think the new Defender would replace our Disco. It waht the Disco 5 should have been. I too thought the prices high, but in reality I think I am just out of touch with new car prices. The cheapest Ford Ranger with 5 seats and an auto 'box is £36k, and still arguably more basic than the £40k 110 Defender. Cheapest double cab L200 with auto is £33,000. New cars are just expensive now. The AWD passat estate starts at £40k now. If you want to spend £20k you buy a Jimny. How much was a 110 back in 2015? Surely LR couldn't keep making an old style Defender as no one wanted them? I know we are the exception on here, but look at the sales figures. European sales figures for the Defender over the last 5 years... 2017 7 2016 182 2015 1.237 2014 1.147 2013 810 2012 971 People who wanted something to treat like  and not give a surely bought a 10-15 year old one?
I know there would be the odd exception, but all my mates with farms have pick ups or if they have a Defender it is 20 years old or more. |
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16th Sep 2019 3:54pm |
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| bear100 Member Since: 22 Mar 2010 Location: South Wales Posts: 1916  
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Gizze welcome to the fold!
I have to agree with you car prices are very expensive nowadays and of course it was going to reflect on the defender, but I’m sure a comment was made by JLR about it being sub 30k? 2016 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 TDV8 2010 110 XS Utility 2.4TDCI 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 (gone) 2007 Discovery HSE TDV6 (gone) 1993 110 csw 200 tdi (gone) 1994 90 HT 300 tdi (gone) 1994 discovery 300tdi (gone) 90 hybrid 3.5 v8 (gone) Range rover bobtail 3.5 v8 (gone) |
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16th Sep 2019 5:12pm |
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| gizze Member Since: 14 Mar 2019 Location: Norfolk Posts: 5
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Didn't they say it was going to be just over £30k for the commercial 90?
The regular Defender 90 is £40,290, which is what? £33500+vat. So I bet we so see a commerical 90 for £30k plus vat. next year. Probably clever wording. |
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16th Sep 2019 5:27pm |
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| ppad Member Since: 16 Nov 2012 Location: now, UK S Coast Posts: 223 
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Just paid my annual tax for T3 (tractor no 3..) at 260 quid and cruised the DVLA web site to remind myself:
"An extra charge of £310 (£320 from 1 April 2019) a year applies to cars with a list price over £40,000 in the first 5 ‘standard rate years’." 
So that's another 5*320 you have to add to the price. The customer will figure that out and some will walk away. They shoulda' supplied a basic truck well below 40 grand if they want sales Sold the much modified 110 2.8, in Oz Brought the 90 home from Switzerland ... |
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16th Sep 2019 5:37pm |
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| gizze Member Since: 14 Mar 2019 Location: Norfolk Posts: 5
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I said that on Pistonheads, charge £39999 and allow you to add matts from parts afterwards.
Many company car schemes won't allow cars over £40k because of this extra expense too. |
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16th Sep 2019 5:50pm |
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