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Rosco



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red
If they did that they'd earn some serious respect I reckon.

They've let the Red Cross have a go.... 2007 - Stornoway Grey 90 XS SW - Gone
2002 - Black Discovery II - Gone
2014 - Montalcino Red 110 XS SW
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Grenadier



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Ramsay wrote:
Here is my bit. For all they have shown videos and talked about capabilities they have not produced that much evidence to us of how it has performed in the real world.
They have an opportunity to do this and look rather special. Keswick Mountain Rescue team rolled a 110 last Saturday on the way to a call out. Vehicle is probably a write off but thanks to roll cage all occupants only had minor injuries.
Land Rover should lend them one of the new 110’s until their vehicle can be permanently repaired or replaced. It would do far more good in terms of marketing than all the medallion guff we saw from Frankfurt.


Get a photo of the rolled Def, suggest it on LR Facebook/Twitter and see what happens. Nothing to lose. (I'm on neither, otherwise I'd help out). But they're the key marketing tools these days.... Thumbs Up Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey
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Mike c



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England 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Belize Green
It was once explained to me at an LR experience day by the instructor that the electronics/air suspension are the only things that make the "modern" Land Rovers capable. This was when he was comparing the then current D3 to the Defender we drove that day. Basically lose the air, lose the capability/fancy terrain response functions that make it do what it does and the high wading depth.

The new one will be the same, coil spec will loose capabilities if it's offered as an option, probably not an issue though for most.

The traditional Land Rover was an off road vehicle from the start, the "modern" ones are road vehicles that can go off road.

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Ramsay



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Scotland 1995 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Auto Keswick Green
Ok Grenadier I have posted on one of Land Rover’s FB Defender threads about the MRT. I have no direct connection so it is not that I am begging on my behalf. Let us see if we get a reply. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
1971 SIIA Lightweight
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Caterham



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I like it in so much I think it'll help keep the residual values up on the 'old' defender Mr. Green
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bear100



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Wales 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black
I like it in a funny way! I was expecting worse Shocked

It must be one of the hardest if not the hardest model of car to reborn, the defender is one of the most iconic vehicles in the world and that’s some big foot steps to follow!! 2016 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 TDV8
2010 110 XS Utility 2.4TDCI
2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 (gone)
2007 Discovery HSE TDV6 (gone)
1993 110 csw 200 tdi (gone)
1994 90 HT 300 tdi (gone)
1994 discovery 300tdi (gone)
90 hybrid 3.5 v8 (gone)
Range rover bobtail 3.5 v8 (gone)
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nosnibod



Member Since: 15 Aug 2007
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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi SW Bronze Green
Here's my take on it.

It's a modern 'car' - and a luxury one at that. It is designed to last the lifetime of its warranty - most of which will be spent under some form of lease (over 80% of JLRs production is leased in one way or another).

After that, JLR is unlikely to care. The technology will have moved on so will most likely be obsolete and new 'buyers' will be tempted to migrate to a new lease/PCP/finance agreement.

It will be a great vehicle, of that I'm sure, but it's not a long-term ownership prospect in my view. Take away the expensive, and in some cases completely hopeless, dealership support and you've got a serious liability on your hands.

Even the later Pumas suffered from this sort of short-term thinking. For example those nice SVX alloys fitted to my 110? I've had to replace seven of them due to corrosion. Windscreen blocks - replaced with Croytec ones - whilst still in warranty because I did not want the hassle of going back to the dealership and them having the 110 for weeks whilst they sorted it - again. As for the intermediate shaft - well we all know about that one and JLRs attitude to it despite it being a serious safety issue.

I want something simple and engaging to drive and own - something that makes you smile just because it is what it is. You can't create that affection for something by doing market analysis and making passing nods at something (plastic stick-on chequer-plate? Really?).

So, I'm happy with a decision I made back in December. I'm having a 110 built to my specification - it will cost a little more than a base-spec new Defender. It will be more capable for what I need it for and above all else it will be long-lasting and it will be authentic. Dave
Green Goddess - 1998 Defender 110 300tdi
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G4UJS



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver
nosnibod Thumbs Up
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Mike c



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Another Thumbs Up to nosnibod
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spudfan



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Ireland 
This is from Land Rover. Read what it says about the TD5 and remote working. No doubt the same goes for the new model....


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1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
Supacat wrote:
NoDo$h wrote:
HDC has always worked by locking 1 or two wheels while allowing the others to rotate when at the edge of performance/descent capability, swapping which wheels are locked. It pretty much performed as any HDC equipped LR has for.... well, since the FL1


Your explanation of how it works is fine, howver, the video does not show that. The wheels are locked and slide for periods of time that is far longer the pulse modulation HDC applies. At least when the system is switched on and working correctly.


Hdc stops the wheels locking by releasing the brakes after increasing brake force on the other rotating wheels so you get a period of locked wheel whilst it increases braking to other wheels that have traction. It doesn't lock the wheels a locked wheel by definition has no traction, hence no braking or steering. Exception is sand/snow which is why tr has different hdc parameters for it. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The next edition of "Working in the Wild", updated for the New Defender, should make interesting reading!
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Grenadier



Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
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France 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey
^^^ It will be very cheaper. One page:

Hello New Defender owner. Are you in the middle of nowhere? Have you broken down? Are your 85 ECUs on the blink? Well, don't think you can get yourself out of this mess, you're Censored and need to call: +44...... Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey
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Supacat



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green
jst wrote:
Supacat wrote:
NoDo$h wrote:
HDC has always worked by locking 1 or two wheels while allowing the others to rotate when at the edge of performance/descent capability, swapping which wheels are locked. It pretty much performed as any HDC equipped LR has for.... well, since the FL1


Your explanation of how it works is fine, howver, the video does not show that. The wheels are locked and slide for periods of time that is far longer the pulse modulation HDC applies. At least when the system is switched on and working correctly.


Hdc stops the wheels locking by releasing the brakes after increasing brake force on the other rotating wheels so you get a period of locked wheel whilst it increases braking to other wheels that have traction. It doesn't lock the wheels a locked wheel by definition has no traction, hence no braking or steering. Exception is sand/snow which is why tr has different hdc parameters for it.
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I'm not really sure that has helped Confused
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adafish



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United Kingdom 1984 Defender 110 300 Tdi DCPU Stornoway Grey
I've got a interview on Monday with our internal magazine editor. He's doing a little story on me and thoughts on the New Defender....Possible photo shoot with my Landy and the new one...…..

Anyone want me to add anything to what we think …..lol Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..
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