NoDo$h wrote:

HDC has always worked by locking 1 or two wheels while allowing the others to rotate when at the edge of performance/descent capability, swapping which wheels are locked. It pretty much performed as any HDC equipped LR has for.... well, since the FL1

Pilgrimmick wrote:

Could be worse, but not a working vehicle.

Whirly90 wrote:

Grenadier wrote:

Everything that is wrong about this new Discfender was highlighted by two things.

1. McGovern. The way he was dressed is how he ‘sees’ the evolution of LR. Snazzy, middle-aged urban chic. Open collars, jacket, hankie in the breast pocket. That, to him and the design team, is their target market.

2. Architects. This was then backed up by one of the many videos when a slim, middle-aged, be-stubbled architect, sporting a white open-collared shirt, slid his plans into his Defender before driving off, later showing it parked up in the McLaren-Factory sterile double garage of his Uber-contemporary home.

This is JLR’s target market. I’m not saying that amongst us on this forum there aren’t urbanites, middle-agers, architects and professionals, and open-collar wearing men (indeed I’ve been known to sport an open-collar with a jacket on occasion). The difference is that on this forum there are also the retired, the DIY mechanics, the unemployed, the farmer, soldier, utility worker. The teacher, the company exec, the accountant. There’s Overlanders, green-laners, modifiers and poseurs. There are the sporty types, the loafers, the always-in-the-garage-of-a-Sunday-ers. There are thin types and fat types, men types and women types. Some with double-barrelled surnames, some who are not even sure if they have a name. Some who want a clean good-handling Defender, some who want a hoseable workhorse. There’s the member who knows everything about LRs, and those that know nothing. Those who attend fairs and shows and take endless photos, those that merely accept it for what it is. There are those who’s first focus is to remap, those who want to ‘find that leak’ and those that just need to tow a horse box. And between us we own not one Defender that looks like the next, and that’s not just because one is clean and one is dirty. The variety of people, views, tastes, mods and vehicles that can be found on this forum, yet who all settle on a level-playing field that is the singular, almost obsessive love that comes of Defender ownership, is what made this vehicle so great.

This new Defender is clearly a capable bit of kit, for the 21c. But much as with another 21C-ism, this vehicle is having an identity crisis. It is a Disco 5, but it wants to identify as a Defender, and it has every ‘right’ to do so. Just not by me it won’t.

That's saved me a whole load of typing, you've summed up my thoughts perfectly

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NoDo$h wrote:

I really don't see what new markets will exist for them

AndrewS wrote:

As disappointed as I am with the looks, £ for £ I would still have the new 110 over the seriously fugly D5 any day.

It will probably have better residuals versus the D5 over the next 3 years too - I would have thought D5 sales will take a hit.