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Mash



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 1674

Guernsey 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
Dimensions are interesting, not going to be going down many lanes without removing paint, and the tight ones can be forgotten it’s wider than a D3. And the wheelbase is 118 inch so closer to a 130.


New defender:

DIMENSIONS
Height (mm) 1,967
Length (mm) 5,018
Width with mirrors folded (mm) 2,008
Width with mirrors out (mm) 2,105
Front wheel track (mm) 1,704.1
Rear wheel track (mm) 1,699.7
Wheelbase (mm) 3,022



Old defender:

Wheelbase 92.9 in (2,360 mm) (90) 110 in (2,794 mm) (110) 127 in (3,226 mm) (127)
Length 160.5 in (4,077 mm) (90) 181.1 in (4,600 mm) (110)
Width 70.5 in (1,791 mm)
Height 80.2 in (2,037 mm) (90) 84 in (2,134 mm) (110) 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html
110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html
52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html
D3 Hse - Fiona
Capri 2l S - Anna

Think I might have a problem............
Post #791789 10th Sep 2019 1:15pm
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Inigo



Member Since: 13 Nov 2011
Location: Kent
Posts: 617

United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey
I just specced one up with the larger petrol engine and a few toys. Came to around £88,000. For that, I could keep my D4 for a few more years, add a galvanised chassis and LS3 to my 110 and also get that secondhand Aston I've been fancying for a while.

Hmm.
Post #791790 10th Sep 2019 1:19pm
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Knot-yet



Member Since: 21 Nov 2013
Location: N. Lincs
Posts: 39

United Kingdom 
Well I’ve waited and waited and waited and I’ve saved/scrimped since selling my last defender in 2016 (it was sold for a generic eurobox while the kids were wee)

Now they’re getting a bit older my wife and I are toying with the idea of a VW transporter Kombi as a family bus/camping wagon that I wouldn’t have to worry about getting knocked about a bit as the kids grow up.

I really really really want a proper defender 110 again but people kept trying to nick the last one I owned (2.2tdci USW).

So my initial thoughts....

From the photos I’ve seen, I like the look of a basic spec 110. I quite like the look of it from certain angles. The 90 looks wrong, the proportions seem off to me, looks sort of gawky?.

what is that weird pale coloured square in the rear windows?
I’m not massively keen on the fact it seems laden with technology and LED this and that and cameras etc.

My previous defender experience was that Land Rover couldn’t quite get the technology right of joining a gearbox to a transfer box or a clutch that worked! Not to mention the pure unbridled rocket science of a properly designed security system!

The price? Yikes, it’s expensive! I guess nobody buys new cars for cash or uses HP anymore (didn’t the chairman of Daimler Benz deride VAG as a bank that happened to make cars?) and instead uses PCP where the outright price isn’t an issue, just the monthly payments.

Or are those electronic gizmos expensive?

I’m not a fan of that sort of ownership model, like to buy things and keep them till they drop apart,

On first impressions, It seems to me to have lost a lot of the clarity of purpose that the old one had.

Hmm I’m unsure, I want to hate it (i miss my old proper defender)

Will wait and see if a more basic version is offered that isn’t laden with what I see as unnecessary gimmicks and toys.

why do motor manufacturers insist on using these parking cameras these days? Do people not know how to use mirrors? Or are they so used to staring at their phones they can’t raise their heads? Or is visibility so bad from the vehicle cameras are needed or you’d be forever pranging it

I can’t see many agricultural or business users going for it, not unless a 4work/professional/business edition variant is offered.


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Post #791815 10th Sep 2019 3:06pm
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Joe the Plumber



Member Since: 18 Dec 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 907

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White
I've just seen a Skoda Yeti side on. It made me think 'Oh, a new Defender'. It's probably nothing like it, but that was my instant thought.

I bought my 110 van new in 2014 for just under £24,000, the most expensive thing I've ever bought apart from a house. Although I could probably find a way to raise the cash to buy one of the new Defenders (ie afford some kind of finance deal on the cheapest one), I can't think of any reason I'd want to.

I sincerely hope it's a success, but sadly I won't be helping to make it so.
Post #791816 10th Sep 2019 3:07pm
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Procta



Member Since: 03 Dec 2016
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 5147

United Kingdom 
I cannot see that standing the test of time like ours at all, It looks more like a cross between freelander and a disco, Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it!
Post #791818 10th Sep 2019 3:11pm
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OsloBlue



Member Since: 14 Jul 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 822

United Kingdom 2003 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Oslo Blue
Grenadier wrote:
Everything that is wrong about this new Discfender was highlighted by two things.

1. McGovern. The way he was dressed is how he ‘sees’ the evolution of LR. Snazzy, middle-aged urban chic. Open collars, jacket, hankie in the breast pocket. That, to him and the design team, is their target market.

2. Architects. This was then backed up by one of the many videos when a slim, middle-aged, be-stubbled architect, sporting a white open-collared shirt, slid his plans into his Defender before driving off, later showing it parked up in the McLaren-Factory sterile double garage of his Uber-contemporary home.


You forgot the cravat

I HATE (most) architects.

The defender was so blatantly angled at housewifes and coffee house fops (hipsters) of my generation, and not at its traditional market base of utilitarian users.

I would be the market audience of both a utilitarian 4x4 for work and a more refined thing for the weekends. A top spec USW would be ideal for me as it was.

This only appeals to me for weekend work. at that cost i can't justify the tax advantages of a commercial, or even the cost of using it for work... I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html
Post #791824 10th Sep 2019 3:31pm
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tookaphotoof



Member Since: 18 Mar 2013
Location: dordrecht
Posts: 1279

Netherlands 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
You’d be more convinced if McGovern was dressed as a farmer wearing a pair of boots standing in a pile of sheep poo on stage?
Post #791836 10th Sep 2019 3:58pm
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Brendlynch



Member Since: 06 Nov 2016
Location: Grouville
Posts: 182

Jersey 2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Cairns Blue
My immediate thoughts. Mitsubishi Shogun reincarnated.

Post #791843 10th Sep 2019 4:16pm
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Snowy90



Member Since: 23 Feb 2015
Location: Surrey
Posts: 482

United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Fuji White
i have to say Its very marmite love it or hate it, i think it looks pretty good, and no doubt it will sell well.

I like the idea of on board compressors and hose washdown kit, bloody hose the hound down! no mention of a wash down interior though!

Big Question, when will the first new owner post on here! He will be a brave man or woman!
Post #791850 10th Sep 2019 4:27pm
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Pilgrimmick



Member Since: 16 Nov 2015
Location: Highlands
Posts: 582

United Kingdom 
And a rich, though recently poorer one! 80" 1948
Lightweight V8
Bowler Tomcat
130 Station wagon
90 300tdi
(Santana PS10 pick up)
Range Rover L322 (Ful fat)
Post #791856 10th Sep 2019 4:45pm
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What puddle?



Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

United Kingdom 

Brendlynch wrote:
My immediate thoughts. Mitsubishi Shogun reincarnated.



The Shogun was one hell of a car! I had one like that one in the photo - it was brilliant. It's still the ONLY car I regretted getting rid of...and I've had LOTS of cars over 43 years. Now left.
Post #791857 10th Sep 2019 4:46pm
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Zed



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3254

United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Looks like a Chinese knock-off Disco 4.
Post #791870 10th Sep 2019 5:45pm
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mrd1990



Member Since: 16 Aug 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 600

Wales 2000 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
It has 85 ECUs.

85! Shocked
Post #791871 10th Sep 2019 5:45pm
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Zed



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3254

United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
What could possibly go wrong?
Post #791872 10th Sep 2019 5:46pm
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mrd1990



Member Since: 16 Aug 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 600

Wales 2000 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
My personal thoughts:

Fantastic Car, best current offering from Land Rover and will be great to live with. I kinda of fancy one for normal everyday stuff.

BUT it is no replacement for the defender terms of use. I wonder how much those light clusters will cost to replace when a tow strap comes loose and springs back at 100mph.
Post #791880 10th Sep 2019 5:57pm
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