Grenadier wrote:

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The problem Bog-Monster is that you (and I would suggest many on this forum) are not the target market. They’re not targeting bearded, middle-aged, ale drinking obsessives, who enjoy farming, green-leaning, over-landing, and are happy to ‘tinker’ on their pride and joy on a rainy Sunday morning, a hot brew within arm’s reach in their HUE mug. They won’t target people who go to Steam Fairs and take photos (and post those photos) of Fred Dimbar’s little beauty. They won’t be targeting people who want to be on this forum. They won’t be targeting people who are happy to be wet, cold, deaf, uncomfortable or broken down, just to own a vehicle with ‘character’.

But they will be targeting young urbanites who are middle-to-high income earners, who do a city-based 9-5 job, but who spend weekends on their 7k mountain bike, ski on their latest Black Diamonds, (kitted out top to toe in Arc’teryx), take part in global ‘challenges’ like the Étape and UTMB, have a selection of modern Gins at home, not a home-brew kit, will already have a ‘sports’ car in their stable, plus possibly a family run-around (RS6), have kids called Zack and Flo. They will head to food festivals, be tinkering with Veganism, and ultimately, secretly, wish they were Bear Grylls (or the female equivalent) and hanker after appearing alongside Ant and Foxy on SAS - Are You Tough Enough.

Ads90 wrote:

I can't help thinking that LR need a new 'low-priced', fun vehicle ....

Grenadier wrote:

The problem Bog-Monster is that you (and I would suggest many on this forum) are not the target market. They’re not targeting bearded, middle-aged, ale drinking obsessives, who enjoy farming, green-leaning, over-landing, and are happy to ‘tinker’ on their pride and joy on a rainy Sunday morning, a hot brew within arm’s reach in their HUE mug. They won’t target people who go to Steam Fairs and take photos (and post those photos) of Fred Dimbar’s little beauty. They won’t be targeting people who want to be on this forum. They won’t be targeting people who are happy to be wet, cold, deaf, uncomfortable or broken down, just to own a vehicle with ‘character’.

But they will be targeting young urbanites who are middle-to-high income earners, who do a city-based 9-5 job, but who spend weekends on their 7k mountain bike, ski on their latest Black Diamonds, (kitted out top to toe in Arc’teryx), take part in global ‘challenges’ like the Étape and UTMB, have a selection of modern Gins at home, not a home-brew kit, will already have a ‘sports’ car in their stable, plus possibly a family run-around (RS6), have kids called Zack and Flo. They will head to food festivals, be tinkering with Veganism, and ultimately, secretly, wish they were Bear Grylls (or the female equivalent) and hanker after appearing alongside Ant and Foxy on SAS - Are You Tough Enough.

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Widget wrote:

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'tinkering with veganism'

Or as normal people call it, not vegan!

Grenadier wrote:

BogMonster wrote:

£70k for a Defender?! Gotta be kidding.

I paid about £16500 for my brand new 300Tdi Defender in early 2007. I paid £24500 for an immaculate two-year old Puma with 4000 miles and loads of extras on it about 18 months ago, having given up waiting for a quote from the dealer. You could buy a 'new' one until quite recently (last of the 2015 model year build) for less than £30k, and I regarded that as pretty expensive.

£70k or anything even vaguely in that direction is absolutely crazy for anything purporting to be a Defender or its replacement.

The problem Bog-Monster is that you (and I would suggest many on this forum) are not the target market. They’re not targeting bearded, middle-aged, ale drinking obsessives, who enjoy farming, green-leaning, over-landing, and are happy to ‘tinker’ on their pride and joy on a rainy Sunday morning, a hot brew within arm’s reach in their HUE mug. They won’t target people who go to Steam Fairs and take photos (and post those photos) of Fred Dimbar’s little beauty. They won’t be targeting people who want to be on this forum. They won’t be targeting people who are happy to be wet, cold, deaf, uncomfortable or broken down, just to own a vehicle with ‘character’.

But they will be targeting young urbanites who are middle-to-high income earners, who do a city-based 9-5 job, but who spend weekends on their 7k mountain bike, ski on their latest Black Diamonds, (kitted out top to toe in Arc’teryx), take part in global ‘challenges’ like the Étape and UTMB, have a selection of modern Gins at home, not a home-brew kit, will already have a ‘sports’ car in their stable, plus possibly a family run-around (RS6), have kids called Zack and Flo. They will head to food festivals, be tinkering with Veganism, and ultimately, secretly, wish they were Bear Grylls (or the female equivalent) and hanker after appearing alongside Ant and Foxy on SAS - Are You Tough Enough.

Grenadier wrote:

BogMonster wrote:

£70k for a Defender?! Gotta be kidding.

I paid about £16500 for my brand new 300Tdi Defender in early 2007. I paid £24500 for an immaculate two-year old Puma with 4000 miles and loads of extras on it about 18 months ago, having given up waiting for a quote from the dealer. You could buy a 'new' one until quite recently (last of the 2015 model year build) for less than £30k, and I regarded that as pretty expensive.

£70k or anything even vaguely in that direction is absolutely crazy for anything purporting to be a Defender or its replacement.

The problem Bog-Monster is that you (and I would suggest many on this forum) are not the target market. They’re not targeting bearded, middle-aged, ale drinking obsessives, who enjoy farming, green-leaning, over-landing, and are happy to ‘tinker’ on their pride and joy on a rainy Sunday morning, a hot brew within arm’s reach in their HUE mug. They won’t target people who go to Steam Fairs and take photos (and post those photos) of Fred Dimbar’s little beauty. They won’t be targeting people who want to be on this forum. They won’t be targeting people who are happy to be wet, cold, deaf, uncomfortable or broken down, just to own a vehicle with ‘character’.

But they will be targeting young urbanites who are middle-to-high income earners, who do a city-based 9-5 job, but who spend weekends on their 7k mountain bike, ski on their latest Black Diamonds, (kitted out top to toe in Arc’teryx), take part in global ‘challenges’ like the Étape and UTMB, have a selection of modern Gins at home, not a home-brew kit, will already have a ‘sports’ car in their stable, plus possibly a family run-around (RS6), have kids called Zack and Flo. They will head to food festivals, be tinkering with Veganism, and ultimately, secretly, wish they were Bear Grylls (or the female equivalent) and hanker after appearing alongside Ant and Foxy on SAS - Are You Tough Enough.

Perfect!!

Grenadier wrote:

BogMonster wrote:

£70k for a Defender?! Gotta be kidding.

I paid about £16500 for my brand new 300Tdi Defender in early 2007. I paid £24500 for an immaculate two-year old Puma with 4000 miles and loads of extras on it about 18 months ago, having given up waiting for a quote from the dealer. You could buy a 'new' one until quite recently (last of the 2015 model year build) for less than £30k, and I regarded that as pretty expensive.

£70k or anything even vaguely in that direction is absolutely crazy for anything purporting to be a Defender or its replacement.

The problem Bog-Monster is that you (and I would suggest many on this forum) are not the target market. They’re not targeting bearded, middle-aged, ale drinking obsessives, who enjoy farming, green-leaning, over-landing, and are happy to ‘tinker’ on their pride and joy on a rainy Sunday morning, a hot brew within arm’s reach in their HUE mug. They won’t target people who go to Steam Fairs and take photos (and post those photos) of Fred Dimbar’s little beauty. They won’t be targeting people who want to be on this forum. They won’t be targeting people who are happy to be wet, cold, deaf, uncomfortable or broken down, just to own a vehicle with ‘character’.

But they will be targeting young urbanites who are middle-to-high income earners, who do a city-based 9-5 job, but who spend weekends on their 7k mountain bike, ski on their latest Black Diamonds, (kitted out top to toe in Arc’teryx), take part in global ‘challenges’ like the Étape and UTMB, have a selection of modern Gins at home, not a home-brew kit, will already have a ‘sports’ car in their stable, plus possibly a family run-around (RS6), have kids called Zack and Flo. They will head to food festivals, be tinkering with Veganism, and ultimately, secretly, wish they were Bear Grylls (or the female equivalent) and hanker after appearing alongside Ant and Foxy on SAS - Are You Tough Enough.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts, thanks!

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Widget wrote:

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'tinkering with veganism'

Or as normal people call it, not vegan!

I'm confused by 'flexitarian' where you dip in and out of eating meat or being veggie. Given I am happy to have a veg soup, a margherita pizza, chips with Tommy K, a pasta bake, all manner of pastas with meat free sauces, but then am also content to have a whopper of a steak and a whopper of a Whopper, I fall into that category. Which for the last 46 years of the 46 years I've inhabited this planet, I've referred to as 'normal'.  Monsieur Le Grenadier

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