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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645   
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Yeah, not a single one of these people look like Defender drivers. Most likely actors that LR hired as part of their marketing campaign #lol. -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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30th Aug 2019 6:01am |
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| LRinKY Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: NA Posts: 8 |
Nothing wrong with that. And yes this is a totally different vehicle from the original. I personally think LR handled the nameplate on this design poorly . Shoulda been a discovery replacement and the new defender shoulda been a ridiculous off road gwagen beater, but they didn’t do that. However, it doesn’t mean this won’t be a good vehicle. I want to be able to justify owning one. Hope it’s good enough I can. I hope it is so good it turns things around for LR despite their continued poor decisions. If it can pull that off I guarantee there’s one in my driveway. Oh and it will be my wife’s car. And yes that is soooo not old defender. Like it or not it is new defender.
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30th Aug 2019 6:12am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952 
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No. Martin runs a great website where discourse is usually good. I feel sure he will 'deal' with a certain poster very soon. I remember another Land Rover forum slowly went this way, and people stopped posting. It's totally unnecessary. Now left. |
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30th Aug 2019 6:22am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611 
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Locking this while I review what has been going on.
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30th Aug 2019 6:23am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611
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I am thoroughly disappointed with the attitude displayed in many of the recent posts in this thread.
I understand this is a divisive subject, however that is no excuse for bad attitudes towards each other. It is possibly to communicate opposing views without that taking the form of personal attacks. Newer members should be aware that this community is not one where argumentative input is going to be tolerated. Of the recent posts, the "jeering" of others stands out as particularly poor. The site's terms of use, agreed to by everyone upon their registration, whenever that was, includes:
Those ignoring this will find their site access removed. Final warnings all round, I am keeping a close eye on this thread. 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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30th Aug 2019 7:31am |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 
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hahah, hey naks cant agree with ya this time 
https://www.landrover.de/defender/team-def...nner-frame click on are you team defender then click more, shows all the people that entered. (windows almost translates the page but if you keep clicking stuff you find it Looks like all the people in the vid entered this competition, hundreds of submissions by the looks I kept clicking more and it just kept going, didn't get to the end, lots of varied defender drivers, defender drivers can dress up nice too, i've got a few mates that scrub up ok and drive em. 
Their names are also on the video for everyone to see. Looks real to me. I don't think Landrover get up to fake infomercial shenanigans hiring people for comment. |
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30th Aug 2019 8:13am |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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hey welcome to the forum, fair comment, i'm hoping so too as i've already got a deposit down 
Im also confident it could become a gwagon beater, especially if they do a BMW v8 SVX version, the 6 will do me for now though. |
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30th Aug 2019 8:17am |
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| Pilgrimmick Member Since: 16 Nov 2015 Location: Highlands Posts: 582
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The main factor will be cost! If it is much more expensive than a pick up then it will not sell to the farmers, utilities etc. That is the market that defenders should be aiming for, the rest of the Land Rover range cover the SUV and luxury market. 80" 1948
Lightweight V8 Bowler Tomcat 130 Station wagon 90 300tdi (Santana PS10 pick up) Range Rover L322 (Ful fat) |
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30th Aug 2019 8:40am |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Good point, there was an article in Australia where Land Rover Australia was on record saying there would be options to suit volume by a pricing right up to high-end.
Interesting also that the D5 is used buy a fair few governments in significant numbers, more than likely it's commercial version. |
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30th Aug 2019 8:44am |
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| RRUK Site Supporter Member Since: 31 Mar 2010 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 2025
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I've said it before...
I think it will be a great vehicle and a great money spinner for JLR, which HAS to be a positive thing. I love the fact it will be different (It's been vaguely the same for too long) I hope it's a MASSIVE success. I Hope I will get one, one day If you hate it, just keep buying the old style Defender and quit whining, you weren't the target market anyway! 2016 D4 HSE 1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF 1982 Series 3 SWB Petrol |
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30th Aug 2019 8:53am |
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| Pilgrimmick Member Since: 16 Nov 2015 Location: Highlands Posts: 582
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Live in hope, but have owned discoveries and Range Rovers, the quality control has been appalling. Hope this gets quality and longevity right. I really want a dependable Land Rover that can work for a living.
Hopefully with interest free purchase options, but think I have a better chance of winning The lottery. 80" 1948 Lightweight V8 Bowler Tomcat 130 Station wagon 90 300tdi (Santana PS10 pick up) Range Rover L322 (Ful fat) |
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30th Aug 2019 8:55am |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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RRUK, massive success would mean JLR makes lots of money...why should I be concerned about this? After all this is an indian company producing in Slovakia.
The old defender is a fair vehicle, ok with some issues, but fixable and reasonbly priced. Furthermore owners tend to keep them for a long time, which in my eyes is better for our planet. I will most likely not buy one, because it is no better than a BMW x5, Mercedes ML or another "premium" SUV that people get rid of because after the face lift it already looks old. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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30th Aug 2019 9:15am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Both Jaguar and Land Rover have suffered issues continually with regard to quality - just look at these issues as reported through JD power surveys. I think early adopters, especially if new to the brand will be disappointed.
Brand new vehicle built at a brand new factory by brand new staff - it's not an ideal mixture to introduce new buyers to your brand. This vehicle was conceived as part of the overall plan to sell 1 million vehicles per year - the defender was supposed to contribute 100k to this total. However, because of certain issues, both internal and external to JLR they are falling well short of that now. The issue with lack of sales of the D5 also means there are those that didn't buy it to replace an earlier version and may well jump on this model as actually being the D4 spiritual successor; further cannibalising sales. |
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30th Aug 2019 9:17am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I certainly didn't recognise any of them as the type of person I see when doing the rounds of LR shows... |
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30th Aug 2019 9:27am |
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