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Grenadier



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bankz5152 wrote:
I like it. Very excited.

If they arnt toooo spendy will try and get the mrs to get one Laughing


Most basic starts at 45k Bankz. 45k. And the average price across the model range will slot it in between the Évoque/Freelander and Disco5/RRS. I think most of us agree that is ‘spendy ‘. Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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Post #787300 17th Aug 2019 6:36am
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Zed



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Grenadier wrote:
Gilarion, you naysayer. I have absolutely no idea what you’re on about. This vehicle that JLR are about to launch will absolutely be the logical successor to the Puma, and all the variants before it that you’ve enjoyed over forty years.

It will be affordable, simple to run, robust, easily modified/adapted/repaired; it will have a unique character, it will be identifiably different from every other car, it will be simple enough to wash-out with a hose, it will load anything, tow anything, save anything. And because of this affordability and adaptability it will be craved I tell you, craved, by farmers, police, mountain rescue, boat-towers, chalet owners, overlanders, electrical companies, sewage companies, armed forces etc, the world over. You will see cherry picker variants, gardening variants, expedition variants. You’ll see versions that have been used only for school runs, others that have been battered on a farm. You’ll see versions covered in weaponry and camo, or turned into a pizza oven or gin bar. You’ll see one driven by a chap in wellies and flat cap, or the Queen (also in wellies and flat cap). You’ll see one that’s been ‘Kahned” and one that’s been ‘ambulanced ‘. You’ll have numerous on-line shops selling parts that should have been put on the car in the first place, just to make it function normally, but also parts to improve it or bling it. You’ll see them putting out fires at airports, delivering vaccines in the Third World, discovering places that even the current Defender has never been. You’ll see people point at it when it passes, talk to strangers in a pub car park about it, meet at festivals dedicated to it, discuss at length on forums expressing love for it. There will be journalists waxing lyrical about how iconic it is, how it is arguably the most important car in British motoring history. It too will become the most widely seen car ever, and in 50 years time there will be an anniversary edition.

THIS IS ALL TRUE Whistle Whistle Whistle

So honestly, I don’t know what you’re moaning about.... Big Cry


Absolutely.

There is no way the new Defender will be a Lifestyle SUV designed to last as long as the lifespan of the *initial PCP finance agreement because that's not JLR's business model.


Premium Durability.




*Not including multiple recalls, catastrophic parts failures, styling revisions and ongoing warranty disputes.


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Post #787304 17th Aug 2019 7:23am
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blackrangie



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So funny people commenting about the defender bring driven fast in the vids, did you not see the title of the video, they are testing it for durability, try driving accross australia or any remote area without this sort of testing. You dont test for durability at low speed Laughing
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DSC-off



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Almost as funny as people that don't own recent JLR products getting excited about another new one.
Post #787311 17th Aug 2019 8:25am
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blackrangie



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Who are they, do you have a ledger of what people own? Rolling Eyes
I own both old and new JLR products, both are great in thier own ways.
Post #787319 17th Aug 2019 8:45am
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Slideywindows



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Grenadier wrote:


It will be affordable, simple to run, robust, easily modified/adapted/repaired; it will have a unique character, it will be identifiably different from every other car, it will be simple enough to wash-out with a hose, it will load anything, tow anything, save anything. And because of this affordability and adaptability it will be craved I tell you, craved, by farmers, police, mountain rescue, boat-towers, chalet owners, overlanders, electrical companies, sewage companies, armed forces etc, the world over. You will see cherry picker variants, gardening variants, expedition variants. You’ll see versions that have been used only for school runs, others that have been battered on a farm. You’ll see versions covered in weaponry and camo, or turned into a pizza oven or gin bar. You’ll see one driven by a chap in wellies and flat cap, or the Queen (also in wellies and flat cap). You’ll see one that’s been ‘Kahned” and one that’s been ‘ambulanced ‘. You’ll have numerous on-line shops selling parts that should have been put on the car in the first place, just to make it function normally, but also parts to improve it or bling it. You’ll see them putting out fires at airports, delivering vaccines in the Third World, discovering places that even the current Defender has never been. You’ll see people point at it when it passes, talk to strangers in a pub car park about it, meet at festivals dedicated to it, discuss at length on forums expressing love for it. There will be journalists waxing lyrical about how iconic it is, how it is arguably the most important car in British motoring history. It too will become the most widely seen car ever, and in 50 years time there will be an anniversary edition.

THIS IS ALL TRUE Whistle Whistle Whistle

So honestly, I don’t know what you’re moaning about.... Big Cry


Absolutely Grenadier. Thumbs Up

Can I have some of what you are eating/drinking/smoking please?
Post #787405 17th Aug 2019 8:36pm
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chasthechippie



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Right say I am a procurement guy for a utility company need an mild off road vehicle Hmm!!! would I buy a new Defender 40k plus or perhaps an Isuzu /Ranger/Hilux at 20k? Police force No! Fire No! The Defender is going to sell to Evoke Disco Sport types that's it. The last lot of Defender owners were the same not one of them needed an off roader. I have a Utility on my farm cos I am old and full of nostalgia its not better than our L200 but I like it.
Post #787419 17th Aug 2019 10:37pm
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100inch



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DSC-off wrote:
Almost as funny as people that don't own recent JLR products getting excited about another new one.

DSC-off.
You should get a medal for the best post in the entire 2020 Defender section. I simply couldn't be bothered facing the backlash writing a comment along the same lines a long time ago.
But lets be specific first.
I am grateful for every single person who supports the brand with their enthusiasm. Thank you to all of you!
However, if it comes to future products there are only two type of people who count. The ones buying it and the ones buying another brand/product due to JLR not matching their needs. And for both cases we are talking recent and regular purchases. Oh and for those having/ buying Jeep or other brands. Don't want to hear about it, don't care. Go to the respective sites. Always makes me laugh on related forums reading about people, trading in their RR/RRS for something at the fraction of the price and having a big write up how good it is. Thanks very much but please move on. Away from me...
Or the independent suspension. Everyone who complains about it, please show me your current setup. Triple bypass or internal bypass shocks? Dual rate? No. Guess you are still stuck in 1970's then. But good news. You can still buy other 4x4 with drum brakes and leaf springs for premium money. Remember the Santana S10 fever few years ago? Wonder how much enthusiasm is left.
The message is very easy. You don't like it, don't to buy it.
Rant over. m
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BogMonster



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Triple bypass is what you'll need when you get the bill for fixing the air suspension! ---
2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi
Post #787425 18th Aug 2019 12:41am
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blackrangie



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Latest gen air systems are very reliable, most are getting 200,000 km in au then its just the shocks, if you cant afford to replce components on a car after the warranty period dont buy one without it.
Post #787427 18th Aug 2019 1:19am
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100inch



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BogMonster wrote:
Triple bypass is what you'll need when you get the bill for fixing the air suspension!

Ever personally owned one?
I mean in decent conditions and not ,owned/repaired/maintained' by so called specialist.
I had one of the very first air suspension RR's in standard wheelbase delivered to Switzerland in late 92. Since then i enjoy the ride quality of air suspension. m
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BogMonster



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Ever personally owned one?


Nope, but through my previous career I spent an awful lot more time with broken ones that most people will in a lifetime. That's why I don't own one Laughing ---
2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi
Post #787464 18th Aug 2019 10:52am
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Tim in Scotland



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Since 2003 I’ve owned 2 FFRR L322’s and 3 RRS all on air suspension and it hasn’t given any problems ever and those cars did moderate off-road stuff (more exciting than a green lane but not exactly winch challenge either) - i’ve Never had an airbag burst or electronics issues, I wouldn’t hesitate to spec air suspension on a Defender. In 30 years of owning JLR products I must have been lucky - I’ve owned a nine speed gearboxef Evoque that a software upgrade done to the gearbox ECU caused DPF sensors to burn out every 10 days and I had a BiXenon headlamp burst on a month old FFRR, that’s been it!) I sold my last SDv6 RRS HSE Dynamic in June 2018, not for a logical reason, but because JLR’s extended warranty didn’t cover the snapping crank issue that affected these engines. I already had an expression of interest deposit on a New Defender and as the price of a like for like spec RRS is now out of my earning affordability range (myb2015 RRS cost £69k, replacement to same spec would have cost £81k Big Cry ) I decided to play a bit of acurve ball as a replacement and try a small PHEV............... It has been an eye opener for me and proved that for the vast majority of my on road driving now I could actually live with a fully electric vehicle very easily. However, I want to reduce from running two cars to one and that single car needs to be able to do what my TDi300 90 can do with ease and also do the odd Central Scotland to Cornwall and London run in a modicum of comfort and economy, so I am hoping for the PHEV 90 version of the new Defender to have a decent sized diesel or petrol (sorry JLR but a 2.0 high output Ingenium Engine isn’t up to it) back up engine to a battery that can give a cold weather range around 40-50 miles, perform well off-road in less challenging conditions than I used to do (now mostly green lane type off-road with the odd mud plugging / water wading run) - the quietness and huge torque of electric off-road driving will be amazing (as it is on the road), just have to put up with the chip fat scented emissions of some club member’s cars! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!


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Post #787470 18th Aug 2019 1:36pm
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blackrangie



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Sooo..bog you havent owned one 😉
Post #787472 18th Aug 2019 1:38pm
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AndrewS



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BogMonster wrote:
Triple bypass is what you'll need when you get the bill for fixing the air suspension!


Why? I have found the air suspension to be very reliable, in fact I have never ever had any failures and I have used the vehicles off road with heavy loads. The component prices are no more expensive than normal springs. Clearly if you drive like a dick you will break components regardless of suspension type.

Here is a pic of an 'air' D3 driven by a dick. 90mph into a river bed will usually cause an issue. In this instance a pipe blew out of a fitting the vehicle was fixed within an hour and was able to continue.

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Here is s pic of a 90 that broke something in the same place not sure what exactly happened we didn't see the car again.

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Here is a pic of my D3 in super extended mode having successfully driven through a very soft river bed.

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The above pics are all from a competition in Morocco, quite a few of us drove loaded 'air' D3's to Morocco from the UK competed whilst carrying all our kit and drove home without an issue with the 'air' suspension. 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
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