100inch wrote:

DSC-off wrote:

Almost as funny as people that don't own recent JLR products getting excited about another new one.

DSC-off.
You should get a medal for the best post in the entire 2020 Defender section. I simply couldn't be bothered facing the backlash writing a comment along the same lines a long time ago.
But lets be specific first.
I am grateful for every single person who supports the brand with their enthusiasm. Thank you to all of you!
However, if it comes to future products there are only two type of people who count. The ones buying it and the ones buying another brand/product due to JLR not matching their needs. And for both cases we are talking recent and regular purchases. Oh and for those having/ buying Jeep or other brands. Don't want to hear about it, don't care. Go to the respective sites. Always makes me laugh on related forums reading about people, trading in their RR/RRS for something at the fraction of the price and having a big write up how good it is. Thanks very much but please move on. Away from me...
Or the independent suspension. Everyone who complains about it, please show me your current setup. Triple bypass or internal bypass shocks? Dual rate? No. Guess you are still stuck in 1970's then. But good news. You can still buy other 4x4 with drum brakes and leaf springs for premium money. Remember the Santana S10 fever few years ago? Wonder how much enthusiasm is left.
The message is very easy. You don't like it, don't to buy it.
Rant over. m

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Why? I have found the air suspension to be very reliable, in fact I have never ever had any failures and I have used the vehicles off road with heavy loads. The component prices are no more expensive than normal springs. Clearly if you drive like a dick you will break components regardless of suspension type.
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milesr3 wrote:

I am also sceptical with these dependability surveys and tend to agree that there is unconcious bias from Skoda owners for them to finish consistently high. How do you explain VW & SEAT finishing mid-table and Audi near the bottom if it's not expectation bias.

blackrangie wrote:

100Inch..Noticed you are in the UK, Land Rover and Toyota are on par reliability wise according to the latest JD power survey where both sell multiple 4x4 models & multiple fuelled engines. And apparently even then most of the problems that do occur on Land Rovers these days are infotainment related and not trip ending issues.

blackrangie
I am located in Melbourne.
Thanks for sharing the graph.
Surely JLR had some lemons and the buyers didn't get a fair solution in all cases. I would never put a family member in a car I consider a unreliable or unsafe. Remember the girl who died in VW Golf on the Monash Freeway? Class action against Toyota? The 'successful' MB X-Class? Seems on JLR makes it into the news. m

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o much to disagree with on this post but lets focus on your point in bold.
Very few people buy new (non Defender) Land Rover products. I read it's less than 10% with the vast majority on PCP hire type agreements which is way above industry standard. They may be the registered keeper but they do not own the car. That also means they aren't allowed to modify it, and let's be honest that is very much part of the appeal of Defender ownership. Who can blame them though? Land Rover make the least reliable cars money can buy. Add the fact parts are ridiculously overpriced plus dealer satisfaction woeful and you can't blame folks for choosing to lease instead of purchasing. Once the cars are out of warranty they are financial time bombs, often virtually being written off just because a part failure means it's not economical to fix.

So before you ask about people supporting the brand why not run a poll on here asking how many spent their hard earned actually buying and maintaining their Series/ Defender instead of hiring for a couple of years like the majority of other Land Rover products. Then come back and tell us about supporting the brand.

100inch wrote:

So much to disagree with on this post but lets focus on your point in bold.
Very few people buy....blah, blah... poll on here asking how many spent their hard earned actually buying and maintaining their Series/ Defender instead of hiring for a couple of years like the majority of other Land Rover products. Then come back and tell us about supporting the brand.

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To me Land Rover ownership is not about money which I think really makes a positive change to other car brands. But for you Zed, I will try to explain it in a more blunt approach.
My current LR fleet includes 8 cars, ranging from 1949 to 2018. That's including 3 Defender's including a 50th and 3 Series 1. Latest addition to the fleet is a 2018 RRS SDV6 HSE Dynamic which I bought new and has been seen offroad. I don't see myself as any form of VIP, 'special' or similar, because I know people who run fleets of Defenders and trade their RR everytime there is a new colour available. My selection fits into my more important financial life decisions and reflects my enthusiasm with the brand, without going over the top.
You will be more surprised to hear that I actually buy cars! New! Obviously my money is not earned as hard as yours as I shake mine from the tree in the garden.
I don't see (and most of all treat) my dealer as a criminal, 'stealer' and so on, because so far he provided me with excellent service. Guess respect goes both ways. Unlike yours he is not on anti depressants so this may explains....
Oh and the comment regarding reliability. One main misconception is that all buyers of new JLR cars (particular once they hit certain price regions) are plain stupid and got money to burn. Every time I read along those lines I smell jealousy.
So how many cars did you buy from JLR? Got a 1948 or a factory V8?
So feel free to ask yourself who has a bigger impact on JLR's future marketing. Run a poll.
Can't wait to get my hands on a new Defender. m

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if it comes to future products there are only two type of people who count. The ones buying it and the ones buying another brand/product due to JLR not matching their needs. And for both cases we are talking recent and regular purchases
Oh and for those having/ buying Jeep or other brands. Don't want to hear about it, don't care.

100inch wrote:

To me Land Rover ownership is not about money which I think really makes a positive change to other car brands.