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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 |
From Land Rover sales brochure...
"There are somethings that will never need improving. The chassis is one of them. Immensely strong, it is probably the single most important component in Defender's design architecture and contributes to the vehicle's strength, versatility, durability and capability." Oops... that was from the Puma brochure. Similar claims were stated in the brochures for the Td5 and the tdi and the 90-110 models. Someone forgot to tell Gerry McGovern 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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5th Aug 2019 6:30pm |
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blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 |
From memory the following have been seen, tube bar, winch, roofrack, sliders, 3x hd recovery points, underbody protection, front bash plate, smaller steel wheels. Jerry cans are rumoured? Not a bad start.
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5th Aug 2019 11:57pm |
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blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 |
There's a fair few scoops in here from Topgear, and quoted JLR comments, also pics I believe have not been seen before.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-loo...defender#1 Click image to enlarge |
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7th Aug 2019 1:07am |
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blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 |
Anyone got the LRO mag as previously discussed yet?
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7th Aug 2019 2:21am |
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RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592 |
Autocar done a similar article too, obviously been a big press event somewhere and an embargo is off
test car a PHEV, I'm hoping that is available on launch. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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7th Aug 2019 5:14am |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638 |
AutoExpress gets a ride in the new Defender: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...-prototype
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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7th Aug 2019 6:09am |
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blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 |
New issue dropped can download on LRO app digitally. |
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7th Aug 2019 6:52am |
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markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2625 |
I guess I was secretly waiting / hoping for a reveal. Any of the current electronically controlled Range Rover's / Discovery's can do the same on a controlled course.
Would have been more fun to show it at an Ultra 4 event with Jim Marsden at the wheel. Jeep put the Gladiator on the Everyman Challenge before it's release and it finished before the cut off time. Its a bit like Xmas and the let down that follows..... |
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7th Aug 2019 9:29am |
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familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481 |
We all love the Defender. There were bits of it that used to grind like the build quality, leaks, reliability and rust and an interior that would literally get hot enough to cook you and melt items on the floor - even with air con on. There were bits that were just dangerous. Crash and rollover protection worried me a few times on our various adventures. A roll cage would never move the seatbelt anchor away from the proximity to my temple! Damn it looks good though.
There is a load of stuff that will be an improvement. It’s not going to look the same, but I’d have taken all the convenience and safety and power of a D4 over my 110 every time I hit 70mph and headed off on a long run. So, it’s with an open mind I’m looking at it with great expectation. I extensively tested the new LC Utility and it ticked almost all the boxes bar looks and it was devoid of any character. I want steels though and not 21” wheels 1951 80" S1 2.0 1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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7th Aug 2019 9:57am |
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Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206 |
The looks aren't important for me at all, I'm interested in it's technical capability and markets it is aimed at. I'm still hopeful that a base or commercial model might come along to make a good overlander. LR don't care what I think, because I'm not s new buyer buyer, but 3 to 5 years down the line I'd like something to buy used. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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7th Aug 2019 10:15am |
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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 |
"we tear down the car, see where the weaknesses are and redesign or respecify as necessary.”...
So there is light at the end of the tunnel. Does this mean that we will all be able to do a strip down (of the car ) in the back yard?(Some hope, me thinks) Also I see in another article that there will be no manual gearbox option. That kills my interest completely. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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7th Aug 2019 4:22pm |
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diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 |
I am afraid the new defender will have this new, expensive, shiny, poser...character. I am not sure I will feel comfortable i one of these. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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7th Aug 2019 6:03pm |
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Inigo Member Since: 13 Nov 2011 Location: Kent Posts: 617 |
I've decided that I'll probably keep my existing defender for longer, until it rusts away completely, but this is looking like an ideal replacement for my Discovery 4 when I move that on. Majority of use would be daily commutes over potholed country lanes, occasional longer motorway trips, driving holidays to Europe with 5 of us and luggage, camping weekends, dog bus, tip runs. D5 is too swish (and ugly), needs to cope with mud and sand and filth and be easily cleaned/swept out.
With my existing Defender, as things break or corrode or fall off or get damaged, they are fairly straightforward to replace/repair. I don't think the new "Defender" will be designed with home repair/modification in mind. I also worry that all of the testing that has been done will not be in the same manner as the current versions are being used. The videos of the cars in Moab were moving at a snail's pace over quite gentle terrain. My Discovery 4's new front suspension arms needed new bushes after just three or four days driving on bumpy gravel tracks through the Pyrenees. The Defender's live axles and coil springs have taken substantially more of a beating, over a longer extended period and not needed replacement yet. Although the ride on the motorway is not as smooth. I wouldn't buy a launch vehicle from anyone again, let alone JLR, but it will be interesting to see how these fare in real world use by actual owners, although I don't imagine many in the first year or two will be getting very muddy. |
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7th Aug 2019 6:04pm |
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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 |
Inigo says
"My Discovery 4's new front suspension arms needed new bushes after just three or four days driving on bumpy gravel tracks through the Pyrenees. The Defender's live axles and coil springs have taken substantially more of a beating, over a longer extended period and not needed replacement yet. Although the ride on the motorway is not as smooth." That about sums it up for me...and no manual gearbox option. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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7th Aug 2019 6:13pm |
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