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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5880   
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https://bearmach.com/swivel-housing-kit-bk-0159 Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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30th Jul 2019 9:40am |
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| Harry.O Member Since: 25 Jul 2014 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 716  
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If you order the Britpart kit that has a G at the end of the serial number it is OEM manufacturers in a blue box ie Timken bearings and Corteco seals. I would avoid the normal Britpart ones though. 2005 Td5 110 Hardtop
1989 300Tdi 90 Soft top 1992 200Tdi 90 Truck cab with Land Cruiser axles |
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30th Jul 2019 9:49am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17614 
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Interesting that that kit does not appear to include the top pin (at least there isn't one shown in the illustration). |
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30th Jul 2019 10:59am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
top pin FTC2882
bottom pin FRC2894
and two 606666
for set up shown |
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30th Jul 2019 12:42pm |
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| windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311  
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this ^  |
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30th Jul 2019 1:03pm |
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| taffrican Member Since: 14 Jan 2011 Location: Living room Posts: 624 
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Thanks chaps, I took the advice offered and went for the âgâ marked britpart kit as it was listed as Oem, a little bit more expensive but that is of no concern, it looks like a nasty job so donât want to be doing it over because I wanted to save a few pennies..... but the original LR prices are scary, youâd be looking at almost a couple of grand to do both swivels and new wheel bearings, I wonder how many people actually take their defender to LR to get their swivels done
 Optimists say the glass is half full..
Pessimists say the glass is half empty.. Engineers say the glass is twice the size it needs to be! |
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1st Aug 2019 10:15am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17614
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DS, a very useful post, thank you. It is of course the lower pin which appears not to be included in the bearmach kit. For those who don't know, the top pin changed from 2007 and integrated the inner race of the upper bearing into the pin, the rollers being held in a plastic cage and free from the pin. Generally the post 2007 arrangement seems to be inferior in every respect, especially since it has fewer rollers. As far as I know, the <2006>=2007 vehicle without problems and is probably a sensible upgrade. The later type pin TAR100040 can be seen in the illustration here:- https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-TAR100040 |
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1st Aug 2019 10:38am |
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| taffrican Member Since: 14 Jan 2011 Location: Living room Posts: 624
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So why is there no top pin in the kits, I looked at a few when looking at which kit to buy and I donât recall seeing any, should I order separately or do they rarely require changing? Seems strange not being part of the kit
Optimists say the glass is half full..
Pessimists say the glass is half empty.. Engineers say the glass is twice the size it needs to be! |
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1st Aug 2019 10:49am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17614
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The Bearmach kit includes the top pin and bearing (as stated in my second post I mistook the top pin in the picture for a bottom pin) but not the bottom pin and bearing. I imagine that the bottom pin is considered not to wear as quickly, although it is hard to see why this should be.
I was rather shocked at the prices of the bottom pin. Rimmer Bros (link in my last post) list a genuine lower pin at ÂŁ92.22, but a pattern part at ÂŁ2.94. That means that the genuine part is over thirty-one times the price of a visually identical pattern part! |
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1st Aug 2019 11:01am |
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| taffrican Member Since: 14 Jan 2011 Location: Living room Posts: 624
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If you look at LR prices for the swivels it is nearly ÂŁ700 just for the housing never mind the rest, scary prices, but yes, there must be a valid reading why the bottom pin isnât included and I can only imagine it would be less wear đ Optimists say the glass is half full..
Pessimists say the glass is half empty.. Engineers say the glass is twice the size it needs to be! |
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1st Aug 2019 11:13am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
More top pins
Click image to enlarge Left hand side Railko bush top pin none ABS FRC3511 right hand side TAR 100040 none ABS or TAR100050 ABS Click image to enlarge Left hand side Railko bush none abs 8510267 right hand side thrust washer for the Railko bush none ABS FRC2906 bottom pin stay the same bottom pin FRC2894 and 606666 all be pends on the age for your axle and land rover, swivels ball also changes dependent on the set up |
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1st Aug 2019 11:39am |
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| mynamesbuck Member Since: 26 Apr 2019 Location: Midlands Posts: 23 
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Excellent advice cheers guys
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4th Aug 2019 10:30pm |
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| NickMc Member Since: 01 Oct 2014 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1681  
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Used to not include the pin because it was genuine only and itâs a separate bearing so you reuse the pin if not damaged (imagine it like a stub axle your wheel bearings ride on if that makes sense?) - they changed it again and like blackwolf says theyâre just
Older railko bushes take the thick seal and newer take the âthinâ seal. Donât forget the seal retaining ring when you put it together and make sure the bolt holes line up first too (wonât fit backwards) |
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5th Aug 2019 5:23pm |
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