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El Rey



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2016 Puma - problems with 1st and 2nd gears AFTER service
Had a major service for 40,000km last week, for my MY2016 110.

As soon as I got in it to drive it back home afterward, I could tell that getting into 1st and 2nd gears was a lot harder. At random times, it simply didn't want to go into gear without a fight and often not without letting the clutch in and out a few times. This was never the case before that day.

4th, 5th, 6th, and reverse are no problem. But going up and down from 1st to 2nd, and occasionally to 3rd now feels very notchy and is often difficult. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of an intersection trying to get it in gear while the traffic backs up behind me wondering why I'm not moving on.

I have tried putting it into the various low and high range diff lock positions then back to high range, free diff to see if that released something, but it hasn't made any difference so far.

Does anybody have any notions what might have happened during the service that would cause this?
I'm about to contact the shop to arrange to take it back, but interested to hear if anybody else had a similar experience or suggestions about what to look for.
Post #777671 16th Jun 2019 8:25am
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Balvaig



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Did they change the clutch fluid. If so I would suspect that you have air in the system and the clutch need bleeding.
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El Rey



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Thanks for the reply. That hadn't occurred to me as a possibility - cheers
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andydef90



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is it too far to go back after all you have paid for a service and they have created the issue
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El Rey



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@andydef90

It's only an hour's drive to the shop so not too bad. I contacted them as soon as I noticed the issue, and said I would monitor it and get back to them if it continued. So next week I'll be getting back in touch and asking them to sort it out.
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Marks Landy



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Maybe double check your gearbox drain & filler plugs are tight.
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El Rey



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@ Marks Landy - Cheers for that. Another thing to check when getting this looked at.
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El Rey



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Going back into the shop this coming Monday - will update when I have some information back.
Post #777945 17th Jun 2019 10:24pm
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El Rey



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Spent 3 hours at the shop today.

No air in the lines. No loose oil plugs. No metal pieces in the gear oil.
I don't think it helped that I'd driven an hour to get there, and the warmed up gearbox was shifting better.

The mechanic suggested it could be down to the change of gear oil at the last service. Because the old stuff was very gluggy perhaps the gearbox wasn't as 'smooth' with the new stuff.

I offered to leave the 110 there overnight so they could experience the very difficult changes when it's cold but he said there wouldn't be much point - because they couldn't identify anything they might have done to cause it initially, or any problem that didn't involve pulling the whole thing apart at my cost to see if a new gearbox was necessary.

He said there was no risk of mechanical damage (or further damage?) from driving it around and seeing how it went, and they replaced the gear oil again, free of charge to see if it makes any difference.

So let's see how it goes over the coming weeks. Thanks again for the various suggestions.
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Co1



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Sounds like a bit of a cop out from the mechanic. See how it goes with the gear oil I suppose. Is you mechanic an LR main dealer? Is it still under warranty?
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El Rey



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@Co1 They're a Land Rover specialist mechanic with a good reputation around my city and state. Been going there for 3-4 years for servicing - this is the first time I've had an issue, so it's a bit of a 50/50 situation in my mind at the moment.

It's about 3 months out of warranty... Hahaha! As you'd expect.
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Marks Landy



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What oil went in?

Did they measure out 2.2 litres of oil rather than “fill to spill”?
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El Rey



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Good question. I think they use Penrite, but I didn't think to ask about whether they used correct measurements or filled to the brim.
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boxoftricks



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Have you tried driving it in low ratio? I'm just wondering if the transfer box may not be quite aligned and causing issues in low gears that are more noticeable than high gears. A bit of a longshot, but maybe worth a check.
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El Rey



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@boxoftricks

That's actually worth a go, cheers. I thought it might be some misalignment originally, and rowed it through the various gears while stationary - but I haven't taken it somewhere with some loose or uneven terrain and driven it in low range. Will give it a try this week.
Post #778734 24th Jun 2019 8:51am
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