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lakelander



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Orkney Grey
ALR6368 Defender foam sill strip
just ordered replacement foam strip which fits between the sill rail and sill panel
silly questions but the old one has disintegrted so can't see it propoerly - can the new one be fitted without unbolting the sill panel- will it just slide it?
any tips welcome
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LandRoverAnorak



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I'm pretty sure that foam strip has adhesive on one side. Regardless though, I think you'll still need to remove the cill panels. Darren

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Post #772921 13th May 2019 11:39am
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lakelander



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yes i suspected as much but just wanted to check if i could avoid it as the nuts look pretty rusted up
thanks for the reply
Martyn
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macfrank



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um, I didn't know there was a replacement part for this Smile so last weekend I bought a roll of whatsitcalled? In German it's something like "compressed tape", google Kompriband). It's compressed foam strip with adhesive on one side, yes. It's used to fill gaps in walls e.g. When you unpack it, it's about 1mm thin and then expands very slowly to fill the gap.

I managed to fit it without unbolting anything. Used a putty knife to remove the old tape and then also to fiddle the knew one into the gap. You stick it to the sills, i.e. to the outer side of the Defender.

At the B post the gap was too small, but I squeezed it in somehow. Not pretty, but so what Smile
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lakelander



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sounds like a good solution
i have now soaked all the nuts with penetrating oil and hope i can get them undone without snapping any- the very front one is behind the arch extension so could be tricky.
you have answered one query for me - the foam is stuck onto the outer sill side - thanks
will see how i go with the driver side and if problematic may go for your solution on the other side- although that side is in much better condition
this all started when i found serious galvanic corrosion around the bolts fixing the seat box base to the sill rail. on my model year the sill rail was left unpainted - on yours i think it is body colour. The corrosion has eaten some of the aluminium of the seat box base and looks really unslightly - ridiculous for a 6 year old vehicle! My solution is to fit brushed stainless steel threshes ( from YRM ) and use liberal amounts of Duralec around the stainless fixings. will also fit matching A pillar kick plates as the originals are also suffering from worm rot. Finally i plan to fit seat box corner protectors .
This particularly untidy area of the vehicle should then look and last a whole lot better
Should really have tried to get LR to fix it under the 6 year corrosion warranty but too late now
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macfrank



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6 years is shocking Shocked I'll keep a close look at that area.
Today I checked the foam which now had a few days to expand. I'm very pleased.


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ericvv



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Lakelander and MacFrank, 2013 and 2015 Defenders...
When I read this thread about these foam seals just now, I went to check mine as never had noticed any foam seal there disintegrating. Well, on my 2008 Puma I do not have foam seals at that place at all, but a black hard tight rubbery seal which after almost 11 years still is as new, no spaces, no cracks, just perfect.
Was there a (not so wise) design change from my type hard rubbery seal to these foam seals somewhere between my 2008 and the 2013/later versions?
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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miker



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Mine (1999) Has an air gap.... which is often filled up with stones and other crud!
Post #773953 20th May 2019 7:52am
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macfrank



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ericvv wrote:
Lakelander and MacFrank, 2013 and 2015 Defenders...
When I read this thread about these foam seals just now, I went to check mine as never had noticed any foam seal there disintegrating. Well, on my 2008 Puma I do not have foam seals at that place at all, but a black hard tight rubbery seal which after almost 11 years still is as new, no spaces, no cracks, just perfect.
Was there a (not so wise) design change from my type hard rubbery seal to these foam seals somewhere between my 2008 and the 2013/later versions?
Eric


Interesting. According to this catalogue it's unchanged since 1987...
https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...s_52761#43

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I think the idea with these foams is to let moisture pass through, avoiding rot - which seems to work perfectly according to Martyn Mr. Green
Post #773964 20th May 2019 8:51am
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excossack



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I never knew that there should be a foam strip. What does this strip actually achieve? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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Post #773991 20th May 2019 10:38am
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ericvv



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Here is a picture of mine, a August 2008 build. Definitely not a foam seal, but either a very sturdy rubber seal, or maybe some kind of black putty which gets pretty hard and does not disintegrate or leaves gaps with time. Pushing with a screwdriver gives only a tiny bit of flex. So either it was a planned assembly thing for early Pumas and later changed, or it all boils down to “liberal creativity“ at the Solihull production line. Whatever mine is, it seems pretty bulletproof.
Eric


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 You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
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macfrank



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Germany 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Could you please check if the gaps in your door's side window seals (https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic67407.html) are closed in a similarly professional way as your sills are?
If so, you do not have a Defender Rolling with laughter
Post #773997 20th May 2019 11:05am
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ericvv



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As you can see the gap is there on both sides. But I never had a drop of water entering the footwells. So I presume that the evacuation of rain water works as it should. Like the rest of the truck, my doors are internally fully Dinitrolled almost from new. Recently one of the door panels still came off to install a new electric window mechanism which was kaput, and door was in perfect shape.
I do have strips of that black putty which replaces the old Dumdum. Not sure if it would be smart to use it in those gaps given all seems to function as intended.
Eric


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 You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw
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