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Would you be happy leaving the EU with no deal

Yes

67%

[74]

[5]

I would rather stay in the EU

28%

[31]

Total Votes: 110

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leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8580

This stupid bias E marking malarkey for automobile lighting etc just has nothing to do with the EU.

Brendan

22nd Mar 2019 8:21pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

custom90steve wrote:
Eric - Don't despair Toblerone goes down well. Although stock in shops seems to have ran low since Christmas.

Don’t worry, we happily will keep shipping you all the Toblerone you want. That is as long as you pay for it though. Doesn’t even fall in the category of what we call good chocolate, it is just an over sweetened marketing gig for tourists and for countries without a real chocolate culture. Like countries where the below is the benchmark

As to steering away of E marking after Brexit, well that won’t happen until after Brexiternity. We here were never even part of the EU, but we live with this E marking as a standard. Cost efficient.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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22nd Mar 2019 8:37pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20299

ickle wrote:

1) The UK cannot feed itself, (2)our beloved JLR is owned by an Indian multinational whos biggest investment has been in Europe. (3)Morgan is now being fiunded by the Italians, etc.

1) There is an obvious reason for that, over population and immigration. Also foreign EU competition has sold out what we can do, this needs to revive and can provide British jobs.
For example a lot of produce we can produce here any time of year under glass! I.e Lettuce, tomatoes etc.
We do not need exploitative EU labour, many British people are and would be capable.

2) JLR that was owned by Ford asked for Govt help at a time of crisis, I think it was th Cam/clegg captitulation at the time.
What did they do, offer Euro manufactures OUR money instead like Peugeot and Fiat etc etc.
LR were effectively told to get stuffed, the people didn't make this choice the over privileged PM / MP's "decided" on our behalf with no consulatation yet again.
I would say a countries interests always comes first with any foreign companies coming second and even then dealt with in a fair equal manner.

3) Morgan's issue is they have become so high end despite being British that popularity has become so niche the sales have become too low.
Much akin to others such as Bentley, Rolls etc.

For the majority of people all of these vehicles, they do not even consider as they are out of 95% of the populations budget.
There should be new companies developed in addition to the above, offering vehicles that are of a reasonable cost to purchase.
Most of these things are not the public's fault, instead the failiure of leadership for many many years by our so called Parliament and big business.
This doesn't even take into account the environmental damage of carting all sort of things all around for the most basic parts etc when so much could be done here.

I mean many people may joke about the quality of the past like Rover etc, but remember the Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat etc don't exactly have a reputation for quality most are the lightest bits of tin and plastic you can get.
As regards BMW, Berlin Motor Werks they are the roots of the same company that built engines for the German war planes in war days that bombed this country.

I may be a minority that bear in mind such things, but I don't forget and wouldn't have one for that reason.
I couldn't forget all those innocent lives snuffed out to them to then 70 years later hand them back financial power all over again.
There becomes a point where a country has to say no, and protect its interests and especially freedoms and the latter I think is definitely at risk. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️

22nd Mar 2019 8:38pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20299

Eric - Out of interest when I looked it up on Wikipedia it appears that it's owned by a US company too.
Admittedly I didn't read it all as I didn't have the time but I think it was Kraft but could be wrong. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️

22nd Mar 2019 8:40pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

No deal and you can have the

MP too hole lot them,they just voted there pay rise 2.7 % from £ 74.465 to £77.765 pox i bet they all agreed on that B

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22nd Mar 2019 8:40pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20299

leeds wrote:
This stupid bias E marking malarkey for automobile lighting etc just has nothing to do with the EU.

Brendan

Yes it does, it's EU testing to meet EU certification only. That's biased to a EU market only, effectively banning imports to here and the use of such items on the road whilst at the cost of the rest of world Auto market parts I.e the USA market.
Some of which such products are excellent and many Jeep parts etc. (Plus our own home grown items of course too!)

I myself, and many others have no problem with EU items but that doesn't mean we will be nailed down to that choice only that is just not right.
They have no right to tell us what we must and must not have. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️

22nd Mar 2019 8:50pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3256

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

leeds wrote:
This stupid bias E marking malarkey for automobile lighting etc just has nothing to do with the EU.

Brendan

Give over Brendan. You'll be telling me unicorns aren't real next.

22nd Mar 2019 8:52pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

custom90steve wrote:

As regards BMW, Berlin Motor Werks

Euh

That’s about as correct as saying that BMW stands for “Bauer Mit Wagen”

You can look up the translation yourself. And I think my version is closer to being correct than yours.

Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
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22nd Mar 2019 9:08pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8580

Please note that U.K. Vehicle Lighting Regulations States an APPROVAL marking. It does not state an E mark which is not an approval mark but is a country code which forms part of an approval mark.

Therefore there is nothing in U.K. law stopping headlights carrying a BSI kite mark. I do not know if the BSI have a current test/specifications for vehicle headlights.

Now vehicle parts and systems which need approval in Europe are done under UNECE regulations.

The U N stands for the United Nations.

The UNECE is one of 5? UN bodies to encourage economic growth in areas around the world.

The U.K. is both a signatory and participating nation in the UNECE whereas the USA is only a signatory nation and not a participating nation

Under the vehicle harmonisation scheme a vehicle part or system approved by one country is accepted in all other participating countries. Now country code E22 is Russian Federation, E43 is Japan and E48 is New Zealand. Now I do not think those countries are in the EU

Now the USA use DOT regulations which are used in about 10 countries mainly north and Central America. Some of the regulations are compatible others not. Have a look at vehicle safety glass in the UK you will see vehicle glass marked with DOT and UNECE approval markings.

Now the U.K. could do its own approval scheme to its own standards for automobile lighting however if those standards are not acceptable to other countries the lights will not be legal there.

Now the UNECE approval markings are acceptable in the U.K. under the U.K. Approval Markings Designation Act.

So unless you believe the EU is the UN then the UNECE approval has nothing to do with the EU. The UNECE was set up in 1947 which predates the fore runner of the EU by a decade which was set up by the Treaty of Rome in 1957

Now if the U.K. leaves the EU with no deal/WTO terms under Theresa May deal, under another deal or under a FTA or stays in the EU the UNECE regulations will still be acceptable in the UK

Brendan

22nd Mar 2019 9:32pm

Muddybigdog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 1016

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

97% of all EU legislation that has impacted the UK was voted Yes by British MEPs, just saying

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22nd Mar 2019 9:47pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8580

Would suggest people do a search for UN WP29 . (Working Party 29)and Vehicle Harmonisation Regulations

Quote:

The UNECE World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations (WP.29) is a unique worldwide regulatory forum within the institutional framework of the UNECE Inland Transport Committee.

Three UN Agreements, adopted in 1958, 1997 and 1998, provide the legal framework allowing Contracting Parties (member countries) attending the WP.29 sessions to establish regulatory instruments concerning motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment:

UN Regulations, annexed to the 1958 Agreement;
United Nations Global Technical Regulations (UN GTRs), associated with the 1998 Agreement; and
UN Rules, annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
UN Regulations contain provisions (for vehicles, their systems, parts and equipment) related to safety and environmental aspects. They include performance-oriented test requirements, as well as administrative procedures. The latter address the type approval (of vehicle systems, parts and equipment), the conformity of production (i.e. the means to prove the ability, for manufacturers, to produce a series of products that exactly match the type approval specifications) and the mutual recognition of the type approvals granted by Contracting Parties.

Taken from HERE

Therefore approval markings on vehicle lighting has nothing to do with the EU

Brendan

22nd Mar 2019 9:58pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20299

If it’s suitable for DOT regs then it suits me fine, there is no reasons why we can’t use all three regs.
And not all of us do or want to go to EC communities anyway, so we should not have regs aligned to those that do.
It should be an option for those that do.

There is zero need to be aligned to one market only, it’s just business greed on their side.
No one is saying no EU trade at all, or I’d prefer to call them countries that are not a ‘one nation’. The fact is there such a thing as feeedom of choice, and that is a freedom we should and will be allowed.
Competition also brings down prices, and ultimately will increase British turnover as it will pay more to those that lower competition from cheap imports and exploitative labour. I think most would agree that exploitative labour by eastern Europeans is wrong by affluent landowners etc.
They suggest that people in this country don’t want to work, NO! This is not the case it is they who do not want to employ them because they want security and proper pay. Not work for 10x hours per week for 4 months a year or similar scenario.

We also don’t need constant Spanish vegetable imports, we can do a lot more ourselves in many many locations in this country any time of year. The tech is even there if need be to overcome some of the issues we had many moons ago.

There is LED full spectrum grow lights even in LED now for reduced power consumptions. Powerstation waste heat that is usable and various other ventilation, lighting heating tech out there to grow many different things. The possibities are endless.

It’ll also be interesting to see US / Canada Agri equipment markets opened up.
Just today I saw some NPK in an agri suppliers barn from Canada.

It’s about time we do something in this country instead of whinging and whining and most people want a change because it’s evident a lot people have not been happy for some time.

It will work out O-K. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️

22nd Mar 2019 10:52pm

Ramsay

Member Since: 30 Sep 2015
Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway
Posts: 627

1995 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Auto Keswick Green

A blistering argument there that it will all be OK if we only starting driving on the right. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
1971 SIIA Lightweight

23rd Mar 2019 7:48am

boode

Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: Devon
Posts: 428

I can't wait to crash out of Europe with no deal
We can burn all of those silly EU environmental laws that protect our clean river waters, clean air and blue flag beaches
All those silly health and safety laws that protect us from electrocution, poisoning etc
All those silly employment laws that protect workers rights
All the food standard that give us healthy food not full of Hormones or Chlorine
All the regulations that allow us to have free trade with our neighbours
All the rules on free movement to holiday or work in Europe
All the regulations that have reduces roaming phone charges and air transport
Ect, ect, etc

Then we can invent our own rules that will be exactly the same, because all of these things are actually good for individuals and good for the country - but we can call them British rules and everything will be fine

23rd Mar 2019 12:07pm

boode

Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: Devon
Posts: 428

custom90steve wrote:

They suggest that people in this country don’t want to work, NO! This is not the case it is they who do not want to employ them because they want security and proper pay. Not work for 10x hours per week for 4 months a year or similar scenario.

Been advertising for a proper job with security and proper pay for 18 months with no suitable applicants to help milk my cows
Most of the Brits that have shown any interest soon reject the job when they realise that the cow need milking on weekends and they are not prepared to give up their weekends.
There were lots of Polish milkers in the UK but with the fall in the pound since the Vote it is no longer profitable for them to stay in the UK
If you know anyone - as you seem to speak for the general working public - please point them in my direction

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23rd Mar 2019 12:18pm

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