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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605   
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I’ve trawled the ICE threads for as many clues as I can and already learned a lot about how to upgrade the sound on the Defender but my truck just keeps throwing me curve balls.
What I’m trying to do Install 2 new woofers, tweeters (with crossovers) into my 2015 90 HT. New LRI Solutions Stage One Kit - Ground Zero instead of the Focals which I’m already regretting. Install second hand alpine amp/sub (take-off part from Defender - one with integrate sub/amp and writing correct way up when mounted on back of cubby) Change  Clarion HU for Pioneer Flip out jobby
What I’ve got Clarion single din hu (DAB aerial ready installed) What I thought was factory speakers - turns out they’re Pioneers (and possibly better than the one’s I’ve just bought) Looked under tweeter blanks - no wires to be seen, either side. However do have sub connector under cubby (which is odd - thought if I was going to have that, would definitely have tweeter connectors) What I’ve managed to do Fit sub to cubby Take out old HU and centre dash panel and other bits of dash trying to find tweeter wires What I need help with If I don’t have tweeter wiring and use the wiring supplied with the speakers/crossovers, where/how do I add them to the loom? With the sub plugged in under the cubby, does all the wiring run up and into the stereo loom and is there anything else I need to do? If my existing speakers are in fact better than my new ones, can I use the new Ground Zero crossovers with the old Pioneer speakers? These are a few pics of what I’ve got.....  Click image to enlarge Loom that was running into back of HU. Not sure what grey connector in centre left of frame is. Click image to enlarge Thought this was the tweeter cable however pretty sure it isn’t and is just the woofer wire. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Existing speakers. Any help you could give me would be amazing, thanks. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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18th Jan 2019 5:07pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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Thanks for the comprehensive reply Steve! Will have a proper ferret around in daylight tomorrow. Got elbow deep in the dash and couldn’t find anything so might be a full dash off job in the morning.
I’m not going with anything too heavy - ones in already are 190W Max, 30W nom, 4 Ohm The new. Ones are 100W Max 
Not putting anything extra in other than the two under dash woofers and top dash tweeters. Sub/Amp is the factory fit Alpine so that should be ok to just plug in and go though right? Still unsure what the unused grey connector in the picture is for.... Until tomorrow! https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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18th Jan 2019 8:03pm |
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| williamthedog Member Since: 29 Dec 2012 Location: south wales Posts: 3441 
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Yes as Steve said they tuck wiring in out of the way places. I've got poverty spec pick up and the wiring for the tweeters was tucked in by the wiring for the main speakers. Getting them up to the tweeters I used a piece of welding rod to pull the wiring up.
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18th Jan 2019 8:53pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20376
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Just be careful the plugs don't catch on something, so if it feels like it's caught stop or it might cause wire damage.
You can bet your life the plug will catch on something unless it's pulled out carefully. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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18th Jan 2019 9:38pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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Thanks both for the advice. Was a dash off job to get the near side one but all in and working now.
Only problem is sub isn’t working. Just looking at the loom with the ISO adapter and looks like someone has been mucking around with it..... Click image to enlarge One orange wire appears to be bypassing the loom connector and a red and yellow seem to have been cut and swapped. Any ideas if this could be anything to do with it? https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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19th Jan 2019 1:10pm |
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| PaulMc Member Since: 17 Jan 2009 Location: Kent Posts: 501 
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The Grey 4-way connector is C1516, which is the other end of the sub-woofer harness. There's a link harness LR040847 to go from C1516 to the head unit -
. Paul. 1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop 1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS' |
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19th Jan 2019 3:16pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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Thanks for that!
It’s one step forward, two steps back here this weekend. Speakers work fine with old head unit (but desperate for the bass from a sub!) but when new head unit is installed I only get decent sound from near side - off side is very quiet and muffled. Have checked balance settings on head unit - all fine....... Although when I alter balance, moving all sound to right on head unit sends sound to left speakers. Moving all sound on head unit to left and I just get the quiet muffled sound from the driver’s speakers. Switch back to old HU - fine. Doing stuff like this reminds me why I usually pay people to do these things. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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20th Jan 2019 11:23am |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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Right. Think I’ve managed to knacker 2 new head units.
So initially tried the Pioneer Z7100 flip out stereo - worked fine on test until it pushed it into the slot and lost sound (well, muffled) sound to the driver’s speakers. Removed and replaced with old Clarion unit. Worked fine. Tried swapping back - Pioneer still dud on one side. Clarion back in - fine. So went to Halfords and got another new cheap Pioneer head unit (yeah I know - fool and money etc). Again, with head unit out worked fine. Pushed it in and same thing - sound dies on right side. Pull it back out and sound still not working. Wiggle all the wires. Nothing. Clarion unit back in - working fine. I would have thought there would be some sort of built in protection to stop it blowing something irreparable???? This is a picture of the wiring loom. I’m not sure why the orange bypasses the connector......? Should I get a pro to look at it before I break anything else? Click image to enlarge https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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22nd Jan 2019 8:08pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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Sooooo.....
Been playing around and still only sound to passenger side. Switched L/R speaker cables and still only sound to passenger side so that rules out faulty head unit. Fiddled with speaker settings on head unit (yes, balance is balanced) and switched “subwoofer” on/off. When on I was getting just bass through the driver’s side woofer. Which is odd. Fiddled with more settings and switched off “Low Pass Filter” in sub settings and suddenly full audio in driver and passenger speakers. Received the appropriate cable that plugs in one end to sub loom and has RCA leads on other end to plug into head unit. Was a second hand Alpine sub (Land Rover one with just the sub connector that connects to pre-wired loom under cubby). Tried plugging into head unit Sub sockets and no life. Some improvement but still a head scratcher and currently more a work around than a solution..... https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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31st Jan 2019 1:29pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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99% of the way there!
Turns out the LR->ISO connector had all the wires in the wrong place. Bought a new one off Mud and speakers all behaving as they should. Got some Focal speakers and they sound AMAZING. Just the sub not firing up now. Got it going in on Friday for some experts to sort the sub out.... fingers crossed. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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4th Feb 2019 7:39pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3291 
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Good news. Nearly there!
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4th Feb 2019 7:42pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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It's all done!
Pioneer z7100 Flip out head unit Focal ES100K kit in the front Focal PC130 in the back (mounted in Mud rear speaker panels) Alpine SWE1200LR mounted to back of sub. Mic for bluetooth mounted on top of A pillar trim All working and sounding un-freaking-believable. Thanks to everyone for the help. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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8th Feb 2019 6:07pm |
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| corgi1 Member Since: 26 Feb 2017 Location: bucks Posts: 440  
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good for you, at least you had a go ! I just took mine to URBAN who did it all for me, not sure I would have your patients !
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12th Mar 2019 4:38pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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I'm a stubborn . https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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13th Mar 2019 10:39am |
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