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oneten110

Member Since: 02 Jul 2011
Location: Wish I was still in France
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More info on Ineos

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chemical-firm-wa...01895.html

7th Nov 2018 8:22am

Darcy Fairfax

Member Since: 05 Oct 2014
Location: London
Posts: 721

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

Thanks for posting this article.
“ The company headed by Sir Jim Ratcliffe has already contracted former Mercedes-Benz offshoot MB tech to engineer the upcoming SUV, and Magna International – which also has Tesla, Volkswagen, BMW and Toyota as clients and also produces the Mini Countryman on behalf of BMW in Europe – to develop the new car's chassis.” Can’t wait to see it

7th Nov 2018 8:48am

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20453

The Ineos proposal seems interesting. What do you think? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.indepen...html%3Famp No Guts, No Glory.
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23rd Nov 2018 11:10am

dolomite

Member Since: 05 Apr 2014
Location: pitesti
Posts: 66

Only if they do not call it "Grenadier" as the name of the project is ! "Grenadier" is an unhappy name... "Make love, not war !"

23rd Nov 2018 11:44am

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3316

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Quote:
The Ineos proposal seems interesting. What do you think? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.indepen...html%3F

Ineos dude is worth billions but still wants money from the government, our money, to build his vanity project in the UK.

If it were up to me I’d tell him to frack off but he will probably get it if the exodus of the UKcar industry happens.

23rd Nov 2018 11:47am

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1428

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Zed wrote:
Quote:
The Ineos proposal seems interesting. What do you think? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.indepen...html%3F

Ineos dude is worth billions but still wants money from the government, our money, to build his vanity project in the UK.

If it were up to me I’d tell him to frack off but he will probably get it if the exodus of the UKcar industry happens.

The owners of JLR, BMW, Nissan, Toyota and other car manufacturing companies in the UK are also wealthy people. As companies they also go to the government every time they have a "new" model for "investment subsidies".
The argument being they need the money to secure new or existing jobs and the future of the employees, blah, blah, blah.
This is regardless of how much profit the company is making.
If they don't get what they want they take their business to another country, like SLOVAKIA.
Where do you suppose JLR are going to build the next Defender? (Clue, it's not in the UK)

So, if Mr Ratcliffe wants to start a new company in the UK building vehicles, that company should get all the subsidies available to it. It genuinely will be creating new jobs in the UK, diversifying the industry and hopefully creating more options for the future, without putting all our eggs in the baskets of the above mentioned established manufacturers.

Good Luck to him, and everyone that works for him.

23rd Nov 2018 4:36pm

dolomite

Member Since: 05 Apr 2014
Location: pitesti
Posts: 66

Ok, but do not call the all new Ineos car "Grenadier"...

23rd Nov 2018 4:45pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3316

DSC-off wrote:
Zed wrote:
Quote:
The Ineos proposal seems interesting. What do you think? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.indepen...html%3F

Ineos dude is worth billions but still wants money from the government, our money, to build his vanity project in the UK.

If it were up to me I’d tell him to frack off but he will probably get it if the exodus of the UKcar industry happens.

The owners of JLR, BMW, Nissan, Toyota and other car manufacturing companies in the UK are also wealthy people. As companies they also go to the government every time they have a "new" model for "investment subsidies".
The argument being they need the money to secure new or existing jobs and the future of the employees, blah, blah, blah.
This is regardless of how much profit the company is making.
If they don't get what they want they take their business to another country, like SLOVAKIA.
Where do you suppose JLR are going to build the next Defender? (Clue, it's not in the UK)

So, if Mr Ratcliffe wants to start a new company in the UK building vehicles, that company should get all the subsidies available to it. It genuinely will be creating new jobs in the UK, diversifying the industry and hopefully creating more options for the future, without putting all our eggs in the baskets of the above mentioned established manufacturers.

Good Luck to him, and everyone that works for him.

Except all the other companies you mention are established volume car manufacturers. Ratcliffe has no form in the industry and is planning to make a niche product as a PR exercise for Ineos.

If the UK's richest man is unwilling to back himself and put in his own money he should go to the bank. Smaller companies like Caterham etc have to do this.

23rd Nov 2018 6:04pm

Slideywindows

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
Posts: 1286

Shame you can't be a bit more positive about him, as at least he is trying to invest a lot of his own money in Britain.

Maybe Sir Philip Green is a better role model?

23rd Nov 2018 7:33pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3316

We will see how much he invests in UK with this project. I hope it will be a lot and with no government hand-outs. Can't see it though.

Interesting to read that he and his fellow directors are moving to Monaco to avoid the taxman and let's not forget when he moved Ineos to Switzerland. Again for tax avoidance.

23rd Nov 2018 8:30pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17450

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Memories of Delorean come flooding back.

23rd Nov 2018 10:20pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6611

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Grenadier chat split from the 2020 order thread into here

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

26th Nov 2018 9:18am

Yulong

Member Since: 18 Nov 2017
Location: Aberdeen
Posts: 110

Been following this project for a while now with keen interest, how this one will compare to the 2020 LR Def really intrigues me.

As for Ratcliffe, the man's done good. He bet his balls on the industrial casino and won big, all power to him IMO.

28th Nov 2018 6:20pm

Badger110

Member Since: 06 Feb 2018
Location: South hams
Posts: 1039

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Buckingham Blue

The chief designer wears a cravat.

It’s doomed.

29th Nov 2018 9:17pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4217

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

They’ve announced today that their drivetrain partner is going to be BMW. So I guess that means a BMW engine and gearbox.

https://projektgrenadier.com/ineos-automot...-with-bmw/ 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

18th Mar 2019 6:45pm

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