Supacat wrote:

Supacat wrote:

discomog wrote:

I think as someone else has said it is going to be a highly capable off road vehicle full of technologically advanced engineering and electronics but all of this wizardry is not going to sit on a ladder chassis, it's not going to have bolt on body panels and it's not going to have flat glass windows. It will be a Defender in name only, sad but true.

All that tech on the latest Disco is proving troublesome if the threads on some other forums is to be believed, even issues such as oil dilution on the engines means I will not be at the front of the queue for one of these.

and talking of tech issues...here's the latest - a recall:

Alert number: A12/1460/18
Category: Motor vehicles
Product: Passenger car
Brand: Land Rover
Name: Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, Discovery
Type / number of model: Type Approval Numbers :
Range Rover: E11*2007/46*0649; Range Rover Sport: E11*2007/46*0909; Discovery: E11*19/2011*249/2012*1247*01
Batch number / Barcode: Specific vehicles built between 13/11/2017 and 17/03/2018

Risk type: Injuries
The Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB) feature may not activate, without a warning message informing the driver. There is an increased risk of accident.

Measures taken by economic operators: Recall of the product from end users (By: Manufacturer)

Supacat wrote:

...and talking of tech issues...here's the latest - a recall:

Alert number: A12/1460/18
Category: Motor vehicles
Product: Passenger car
Brand: Land Rover
Name: Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, Discovery
Type / number of model: Type Approval Numbers :
Range Rover: E11*2007/46*0649; Range Rover Sport: E11*2007/46*0909; Discovery: E11*19/2011*249/2012*1247*01
Batch number / Barcode: Specific vehicles built between 13/11/2017 and 17/03/2018

Risk type: Injuries
The Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB) feature may not activate, without a warning message informing the driver. There is an increased risk of accident.

Measures taken by economic operators: Recall of the product from end users (By: Manufacturer)

diduan wrote:

I am afraid, JLR missed the point. They are focused to create the "Best4x4...", "most capable" etc. And this is what the real defender wasn't. It was capable enough to carry my 1ton of loading through sand and mud. It was simple enough to be fixed on the trail. And there is enough after-market support to change problematic parts with better engineered, so a problem will not occur any more - thus high customization.
Even if they come up with a complete retro design, it will still miss the point. Because it is not about round headlamps, nor about off-road capability, but function.

Ramajama wrote:

Welcome to the 21rst century. People should be extremely thankful to LR that they even made the old, “functional� Defender for as long as they did. It’s a testimony to their commitment. Take comfort in the fact that the old Defender will continue to have that aftermarket support, values will remain strong, parts will be plentiful and you will be able to enjoy the “functional� Defender for the rest of your days. But the industry has moved on. If some people don’t like it when it comes to the Defender, their concerns are moot and inconsequential at this point. Deep Breath, It will be OK.

arran jones wrote:

Went to eastnor today to do the advanced experience and there where 2 of the new spy defenders testing..sadly i wasnt allowed to take pictures of them

diduan wrote:

Ramajama wrote:

Welcome to the 21rst century. People should be extremely thankful to LR that they even made the old, “functional� Defender for as long as they did. It’s a testimony to their commitment. Take comfort in the fact that the old Defender will continue to have that aftermarket support, values will remain strong, parts will be plentiful and you will be able to enjoy the “functional� Defender for the rest of your days. But the industry has moved on. If some people don’t like it when it comes to the Defender, their concerns are moot and inconsequential at this point. Deep Breath, It will be OK.

There is a huge gap between expectations and reality. If I buy pizza in the 21st century, i expect to get pizza. I don't care that the industry has moved on and they use a fancy pizza oven. What I get is pizza. If i want to buy a defender, i would expect a defender, but what I will get is a freelander. I am not OK with this. JLR call the new one whatever they want, but it is not a defender, because it does not have the main characteristics of the defender.

#1 pizza and Defender is a horrible analogy. LOL
#2 you have exactly zero idea of what you’re gonna get in the new Defender at this point. Its probably safe to say it won’t be another Freelander!
#3 The basic design characteristics (body on frame, live axles) are not possible for LR to keep. Regardless, LR can most certainly call it a Defender, it’s their prerogative and choice. Not ours. It won’t be the same but that doesn’t make it any less a NEW Defender. Vehicular emotional attachment is difficult to come to terms with after a run like the Defender has had, I get it and it’s ok.
As a former Bronco owner/fanatic, I am hoping Ford comes out with a worthy vehicle to carry on the Bronco name. So I really do get it. Will it be the end of the world of it doesn’t meet my nostalgic expectations of what a Bronco should be? (It probably won’t be close to what I expect) but...NOPE! It won’t be the end of the world.

What’s cool is that if I really do want my version of a Bronco, I can go buy an old Bronco tomorrow. Same thing goes with an old Defender.

Yes sir, After peeling away the curtain on the new Defender, Things will continue to be ok

diduan wrote:

I like this, Morepower: "you could do this in a new range rover maybe once or twice, but it wouldn't take too much punishment before something gave up" .

I just can't understand the argument, that the defender concept is out of date and have to be abandoned. Just look at the competitors: Ford Ranger (euro6 engine, 5star euroncap rating, payload 1.3t, live rear axis with leaf springs, rear locker, ladder frame), wrangler, jimny, toyota hilux, even mercedes X class => all vehicles, designed for (hard) work and totally up to date. And it is only the poor JLR that can't follow. My pain is that JLR fools (us) me by positioning the new defender where the old one was. Just face it: With the defender concept they don't earn enough and don't sell enough => JLR will leave the working class vehicle concept and focus on very capable pampers bomber. That's my opinion, no offense to anyone.

I get it for sure. I drive a 2018 RAM Power Wagon. Font and rear lockers, live axles, BOF, winch, huge V8 engine, miles of suspension flex, tow capacity.... All up to date with gadgets and safety. It’s just like a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon...except for men. Even has a MANUALLY shift 4wd lever.
No doubt its the best set up for work/utility.
It would’ve been the perfect storm if JLR could’ve stayed with the same setup for the new Defender. But they couldn’t. They are moving on from that category.
Who knows what the future holds? But I’m excited for JLR none the less. I think this new vehicle will be a winner.