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| NinetyTD4 Member Since: 22 Apr 2011 Location: North Posts: 397   
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We all grew up without helmets, without abs, were not frightened to climb on trees, thus had the opportunity to built a sense for danger and how to cope with that. Do we really make the right choice to switch off awareness on physics? Remember, the Golgafrinchams became extinct after getting rid of their telephone sanitizers, which stranded with ship B on earth.
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22nd May 2011 11:13am |
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| RED-DOT Member Since: 29 Jun 2009 Location: stirling Posts: 2363 
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NURSE, NURSE!!!! 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..
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22nd May 2011 12:24pm |
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| NinetyTD4 Member Since: 22 Apr 2011 Location: North Posts: 397
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OK, I get the redhead ... |
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22nd May 2011 12:54pm |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 419 
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I think the TC can be useful, but I'm not overall very convinced on ABS. In snow and gravel locking the wheels can actually make the vehicle stop quicker, as it digs down. But even on wet asphalt or ice the best way to stop is to brake to just before the point where wheels would look. We tested it in driving school the "better than nothing" option is to pump the brakes, ABS was a bit better than that (pumps faster) and the best was to feather the brake pedal.
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22nd May 2011 1:18pm |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101  
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abs and tc
abs is proven to help avoid accidents. |
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22nd May 2011 1:26pm |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 419
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Indeed, because many people (especially if they are unfamiliar with icy conditions) will tend to press the brake pedal to the floor in an emergency, and hold it there. A recipe for disaster. |
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22nd May 2011 1:54pm |
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| NinetyTD4 Member Since: 22 Apr 2011 Location: North Posts: 397
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ABS does help when people do not know what to do in a critical situation - it is for fools, BUT ... even though I am frequently on car security training (twice a year) I got ABS/TC due to one and exactly one simple reason: when in 20 years I might be going to sell the car, there is no way people will accept anything without it. I am not optimistic, but expect to see the mind melting degradation continue during my life span - I confess being a cultural pessimist on that.
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22nd May 2011 2:24pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034  
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I agree defenders should have the option...but of course land rover do fit locking diffs...but then again there is a good argument that they(defenders) dont need it for the majority I think ABS shouldn't be relied on but does have a place and can play a valuable role driver skill or not...as can tc Abs and tc is a little like airbags...better to have than to need at that last moment! Mike |
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22nd May 2011 8:26pm |
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| Scallops Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 89 
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We don't get the choice in Oz - unless one chooses a 130. If I'd had a choice, it would be none. More stuff to break down the track and pay expensive repair bills. Add to that, mine broke anyway (under warranty) yet I still managed to drive across the Gibson and Simpson deserts without it just fine. Old ones didn't have it - series didn't have it. A Defy is capable anyway, especially when the driver gets to a level of offroad experience and develops some real driving skills.
I drive a Series 1 with bar treads - on the road, you learn to drive according to conditions! Off road - it'll go anywhere my TC/ABS equipped Puma will. |
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22nd May 2011 9:36pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034
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I agree with driver experience, but there are also places where no amount of driver expereince will help, but driver aids will.
There is also the on road element. There are lots of things series and early Land Rovers/Defenders didnt have...doesnt make them better and newer ones wrong.  Mike |
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22nd May 2011 10:32pm |
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| Scallops Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 89
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I don't disagree with you, mse - but when the time comes to replace the ABS sensors down the track, we might all think differently. Without doubt, I've seen TC cut it plenty on some tough muddy tracks, and I was glad to have it, but I could have managed to negotiate any track where it has come on by adapting my driving style or using some offroad technique, such as dropping tyre pressures further. As for on road, I've never had TC or ABS cut in - maybe it's my driving style - it has been said that I drive like I'm taking Miss Daisy to church.
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22nd May 2011 10:49pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034
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Its the modulator block that would worry me...its a cool £1.5k i understand new Mike
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23rd May 2011 5:02pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1776  
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The wifes Freelander 2 with abs & tc is superb in the snow - much better than my 100" with Detroit true trac & rear locker plus mud terrains - but on Ickle there is no tc/abs and am happy - old adage 'parts left out cost nothing and cause no service problems' and I drive accordingly.
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23rd May 2011 8:31pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034
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Freelanders are great in Snow and Wet grass type environments Mike |
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23rd May 2011 9:55pm |
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