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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834   
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M&D engineering supplied my 2.4 land rover engine brand new at £2850.00 2.2 engines cost the same. Uk phone 01480277750 May be worth a bit extra to ensure a proper job!
They were easy to deal with and very helpful. |
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27th Jun 2018 12:04pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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as you say the sump is I believe different but also ECM programme (albeit I don't think is too important as it should be a fairly easy fix to re-map it).
good luck - remember the oil next time! |
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27th Jun 2018 12:05pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127  
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http://www.defender2.net/forum/post590949.html
 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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27th Jun 2018 12:13pm |
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| Asher111 Member Since: 27 Jun 2018 Location: Rawalpindi Posts: 5 
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Thanks for the quick replies guys!
Just contacted MD Engineering and they are offering a price of 2500 GBP each. However I got a new quote from Hendy Power for ford engines. 2.4 at 1593 and 2.2 at 2166 GBP. That is a very good price. So if anyone still has answers if Ford engine can be utilized it would be appreciated. As it would save me a few $$$. Thank you in advance all! |
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27th Jun 2018 12:15pm |
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| Asher111 Member Since: 27 Jun 2018 Location: Rawalpindi Posts: 5
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Ian I was hoping that you would respond! I saw that thread before creating this one and you seemed to know what you were saying. Should it be a simple swap for 2.2 as well?
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27th Jun 2018 12:18pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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The 2.2 is a different beast all together, lots more on the emission side of things, the High pressure fuel rail changed, as did the style of injectors, the EGR changed too.
I’ve recently had 2 vans in that were 8 months apart, both MK 7s but had different DPFs and sensor arrangement. For fear of your situation, and location, I wouldn’t like to say for definite either way? They still share the same block and top end, but subtle differences may catch you out depending on application? 2.4s changed very little through production as they weren’t around long before they were superseded by the 2.2. 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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27th Jun 2018 12:34pm |
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| Asher111 Member Since: 27 Jun 2018 Location: Rawalpindi Posts: 5
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Uhmm! So you are saying my best bet would be MD engineering?
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27th Jun 2018 12:50pm |
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| Asher111 Member Since: 27 Jun 2018 Location: Rawalpindi Posts: 5
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And they should really change the name of the engine if they are going to make changes to it. It is causing a lot of confusion.
But thank you all. I think I will go with MD Engineering. |
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27th Jun 2018 12:52pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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If it was myself, then yes
80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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27th Jun 2018 1:35pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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'Puma' Is the development code name and the name given to the 'family' of engines. The 2.4 'Puma' is actually called the ZSD-424 and the 2.2 is the ZSD-422. There's also a ZSD-420, which was the 2ltr version used in the Mondeo. They're all related, but there was ongoing development throughout the engine's production. Which is why when you buy parts for cars you'll often find a certain part will be listed for engines up to a certain serial number then a different one for anything above that serial number. The early Transit 2.4's were mechanical direct injection, the core engines may be the same as the TDCI versions, but I would stick with a TDCI lump just in case. Also check what exactly is supplied. The Land Rover supplied one for example is more expensive, but it 'may' be a complete engine with injectors and manifolds fitted or at least include the cylinder head and cams etc. The Ford unit might only be a short engine (just the Block, crank, rods and pistons). If you've run them with filthy oil, then chances are the cams and followers will be shot too, plus the oil pump, timing chain and guides etc. Also the price from your local Land Rover dealer would include import duty.
That'll be irrelevant, as one would just use the Defender's existing ECM and wiring when doing an engine replacement. |
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27th Jun 2018 1:41pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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Quote,
The early Transit 2.4's were mechanical direct injection, the core engines may be the same as the TDCI versions, but I would stick with a TDCI lump just in case. Duratorq engines were a mile apart from the TDCI, Forget they exist in this case.  80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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27th Jun 2018 3:03pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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I suspected that might be the case, but never having actually stripped either down to a bare block to compare the blocks I wasn't sure.
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27th Jun 2018 4:02pm |
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| o4dn Member Since: 08 Jan 2010 Location: South West Posts: 538  
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Hi Asher,
As a side note, and even if it may sounds obvious, once you've sorted the engine, do not forget there's more than just the engine that needs oil change, front and rear diffs, gearbox and transfert box also need lubrication. “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique. -- 2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW 1979 Land Rover Series 3 88" |
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28th Jun 2018 7:29am |
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