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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935   
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Hi All,
I have a 1 yr old 90 XS. At some point in the future, when my 3 yr warranty is up, I intend to get an ECU remap but in the meantime " What can I do that would NOT invalidate the LR warranty ? " OK, I know I could use something like the BAS remap and re-install the original LR map when visiting the dealer, BUT for that you need a laptop running Windows [ I don't have a laptop and run only Apple OS's ] also you would have to take the laptop on holiday/long trips incase you are forced to visit a dealer to sort out a problem under warranty etc: just in case they decide to plug in their diagnostic computer. What about these Diesel Boxes that plug between the ECU and Engine which, apparently, change various parameters to tune the engine to European fuel/environment rather than the generic All World tune when the ECU/Engine leaves the factory? A friend has one of these boxes from an Italian company for his Nissan and swears by it. Increased torque,acceleration, improved fuel economy [ when driven correctly]. Has anyone on the Forum any experience of these?  |
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18th Apr 2011 6:09pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935
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Hi MK, So did you notice any difference with the tuning box fitted?
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18th Apr 2011 6:22pm |
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| Kez Member Since: 11 Apr 2011 Location: UK Posts: 271 
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Seen this post http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic6323.html
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18th Apr 2011 6:34pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2433  
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I had the box way before the tuning was advertised, so I had not cared to replaced with a proper remap. It runs very well and torque increase starts at same rpms as the original map. No smoke whatsoever. I think it is a good choice if you do not want a state of the art remap. Puma 110" SW
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18th Apr 2011 6:35pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935
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Hi Kez, it was your post about finding this under the bonnet that got me thinking
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18th Apr 2011 6:51pm |
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| bell-auto-services Member Since: 08 Jul 2007 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2232  
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Hi
The BAS box only needs a pc for setting up the tool, its not needed for swapping the tune on and offonce its set up. You could use Bootcamp with windows on your MAC for setting up the tool for the first time. Pete |
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18th Apr 2011 7:16pm |
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| big steve Member Since: 24 Dec 2009 Location: hertfordshire Posts: 2456 
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hey as pete says once you have got the tune of choice on your interface thats all you need ?
i take mine with me evrywhere just in case and basically doing this way it will always be how you want it on or off regards steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs 3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit ashcroft atb in transfer box 6 speed auto in build |
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18th Apr 2011 7:27pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
I personally would stay away from generic tuning boxes as the majority just fool the ECU into putting more fuel into the cylinder (there is more too it, but in general that's what they do!). If you where to do a search you will find the vast majority of owners with a remap will have gone for a personal remap for their landy
Where as a personal remap made especially for your landy gets everything working in sync. There are several reputable dealers who supply a remap with there own version of the Alien tech remap interface to allow their remap files to be put into your landies ECU. When I got mine I looked at three dealers, BAS, IRB and Alive tuning. In the end I went with Alive tunings ATRIC system, so all I can comment on is my experience with Alive. The way it worked out was that I was sent the remap interface unit and I had to plug it into the OBDII socket on the landy and download the standard engine map from the landy into the interface unit. It then was just a case of unplugging it and connecting it up to the PC and downloading the original map file. I then emailed that off to Alive and within 30 mins I got the original file plus three remaps emailed to me. I then installed 2 of the remap files into the interface unit ( it holds three maps, the original plus two remap files) and went out to the landy and plugged it in. Everything is explained on the interface unit about what you want to do and how to do it in a step by step process. You then upload your new remap and unplug the interface unit and presto, you now have a tuned landy. I leave the interface unit in the landy in my nakatanenga safe so I always have it incase something happens and the landy needs to be put back to standard (no pc needed), which takes about 10 mins. As Pete said earlier you only need a pc to upload the map files onto the interface unit as they are stored within it. Not only does it do the remaps but it also reads and clears DTC's. Here is a picture of the ATRIC interface unit I received from Alive tuning:  Click image to enlarge And this is the PC interface screen: Click image to enlarge There has been a lot off hot collars and bitching on who makes the best product http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic5548.html, but you can do a search and you will find that Alive tuning, BAS and IRB have all got a good name for remaps  |
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18th Apr 2011 10:44pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935
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Thanks for all the information gentlemen. The problem with the Full remap, as I see it, is as follows:-
1. I would need to beg, borrow or steel a copy of Windows OS in order to run the remap software initially. 2. Difficult, but not impossible, to set up my desktop Mac outside for access to my Defender. 3. I can revert to the original Land Rover ECU Map from the Remap reasonably quickly but have to carry the Remap Box with me . IF for some reason I develop an ECU fault that stops me from reverting from the Performance Remap to the original then I will lose my warranty. With the Diesel Box it is a straightforward mechanical plug in plug out. I think I will wait until my warranty is over and then get a full remap done by a company with No involvement of my computer skills. |
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19th Apr 2011 5:49am |
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| Kez Member Since: 11 Apr 2011 Location: UK Posts: 271
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Strangely enough I also only use Macs WelshGas (designer by profession and have been using them since 1998, long before they were 'cool'). If you want to come and drive mine to see what its like just drop me a line. I had a professional remap done on an Alfa Spider 2 years ago - if anything it was not as smooth as this box!
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19th Apr 2011 5:59am |
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| fekete Member Since: 24 Dec 2008 Location: Here on the other end of the computer Posts: 3626 
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Alive all the way for me
NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY |
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19th Apr 2011 6:23am |
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| landydubai Member Since: 01 Sep 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 206  
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BAS all they way on my 90 & 110
LandyDubai
Keep the shiny side up! 09 110 XS BAS remap 09 90 pick up BAS remap 08 D3 V8 G4 Spec Bentley Speed GT 2009 G55 2003 Ford Raptor 2010 - new toy! |
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19th Apr 2011 3:45pm |
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| party monkey Member Since: 31 Dec 2010 Location: Oxon. Posts: 1311  
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Hi Welshgas,
Might be worth giving the Alive / BAS / IRB chaps a call and seeing if they can propose a solution.... I'm sure I've read somewhere that one of them, if not all, may offer some form of ECU reprogramming or replacement that can hold two states of tune that you simply switch between without the need to hook any bit of kit up to it.... Worth giving them all a shout in due course I reckon but I do understand your concerns regarding warranty etc. Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless. |
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19th Apr 2011 4:32pm |
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| 110 Member Since: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Nottingham Posts: 43 
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I can highly recommend Pete from BAS, got his remap last summer and it worked great. The fact that I could retune it to original worked wondereds with the 6 warranty callbacks I had at the dealer. They never could tell the engine had been mapped (well the warranty was on non engine matters really, but they did read the ecu and couldnot tell).
I then found out more about the EGR mod that Pete offered he replied quickly to my several emails and even called me to explain everything in basic non tech language. The new version is even better than before, drives more like a car and with more power, response and infact mpg!!! I can tell as I have a scanguage 2. Big thumbs up, just wish I hade the £££ for the v6 conversion he does. 110 Black Java Puma Utility, Kenlowe fan, bullbar, sides step, tinted windows, bluetoth, Scanguage, BAS, |
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19th Apr 2011 4:35pm |
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