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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410  
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Powder coating should be outlawed... Would prefer the option of bare metal and to paint it myself. |
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13th Jan 2018 5:09pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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How well does that arrangement tow?
There's already a degree of slop in the drop plate arrangement with double pins on mine & the rear plate is bolted firmly to the rear crossmember. With an extra pin in the hitch receiver that introduces even more potential for movement. |
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13th Jan 2018 5:14pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I had the Southdown setup on a Discovery years ago and it was a fantastic bit of kit. They could be used with anti-roll bars if the mounts are spaced out with a couple of 1 inch tow bar spacers.
I seem to remember that they stopped producing them because of the cost of getting type approval and getting fed up with other companies ripping off the design. Anybody remember Scorpion Racing? Anyway, given the options that might actually be available, JATE rings should be at the bottom. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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13th Jan 2018 5:22pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17451 
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Perfectly. |
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13th Jan 2018 5:57pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324 
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Hello chaps, thanks for all the input. Snowed under at work at the moment, but I'll hopefully get a chance to digest all this tonight
 Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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13th Jan 2018 6:27pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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another vote for 2" receiver. absolutely the best solution.
http://www.4x4overlander.com/product/safar...-receiver/  Click image to enlarge |
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13th Jan 2018 7:58pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Depends on what OP means by this... There's a fair amount of weight in this and that's before fitting the tow ball:
One of what the OP already has referenced mounted to either a fixed or adjustable drop plate will also serve the purpose:
but then:
It's all about compromises... |
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14th Jan 2018 10:18am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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DR, the applicable regulations used to be EC94/20 for towbars. Under those regulations commercial vehicles N1 did not have to use type approved towing equipment. This was a little bit of a minefield for Defenders as some were classed as M1 cars and some as N1 commercial. It only applied to cars from 1997. Current regulations are UNECE Regulation 55 which applies to vehicles and trailers to form a combination of vehicles. I can not see any exceptions for N1 commercials so that would mean it applies to Defenders. Now this is the part I am unclear on. This regulation is dated November 2015, BUT I can not see a date of implementation nor can I see any indication that it applies to vehicles made prior to November 2015. Yes I can understand that ALL towing equipment made after the implementation date has to meet the new requirements. Now in general terms vehicle regulations are NOT made retrospectively. Hope that helps DR. Now NZ is NOT a participating nation of the UNECE regulations. I am guessing NZ is a participating nation of UNESCAP so sorry AM you will have to check out local regulations and UNESCAP Brendan |
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14th Jan 2018 5:38pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324
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Hello all,
I'll try to catch up and clarify where I'm personally at - regardless of that, it's interesting reading anyway, hopefully someone else will glean some info.
In no particular order: - 2" receiver, currently I'm liking the look of that the most, so I'd need the receiver, 2" recovery billet and ... so, you then insert a 2" drop plate, which I put a basic tow ball on? I would have thought that would wiggle around a bit too, but if Blackwolf says it's fine I'm inclined to trust his opinion - and even though it's not the soundest of logic: I'm only towing smaller trailers, no horses, houses or full water tanks. - On the same topic. the 2" drop plate certainly looks easy enough to handle, but this leads to the question: how can a plate that relies on the insertion of a pinned spigot compare to the standard LR original '08 puma bracket which has big butty bolts and arms the extend to the chassis? Or is that taken care of by the 2″ receiver and I'm just not seeing it? - Supacat, I'd be installing the DixonBate recovery points on my Mantec winch bumper, it is as far as I can tell is the original and heavy duty Camel Trophy era design for the Husky. - Not sure where we ended up with regards to the availability of the Terrafirma clone of the Southdown guard? But I'll send off some emails this evening.. Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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14th Jan 2018 7:30pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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the receiver bit still has arms which go onto the chassis legs, as well as being bolted to your cross member. someone will be along to tell us how that insert rod keeps all that load in check.
I can tell you it works though. Ive pulled many a land rover out of the mud using it, and being recovered myself with significant shock loads and it just stands up to it. Must work, because its the defacto solution in the USA, and they have an even bigger version for larger vehicles over there. |
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14th Jan 2018 7:34pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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OK I can not remember the actual sizes of bolts 2" receiver has 4/6 bolts going through the face of it into the rear cross member. It has 2 bolts going vertically upwards into the underside of the rear cross member Then it has the two bracing arms going back to the chassis. With 4/6 bolts in tension plus 4 bolts in shear I would say that is more then strong enough. The fastening pin is 16mm pin in 3 point bend. I can not recall wall thickness of the square tube but you are trying to elongate holes in it. The Dixon Bates has a single pin slider 19mm in 3 point bend over a large span then the 16mm pin in the 2" receiver. This time on a Sunday night I do not feel like doing the comparative equations so will just say the 16mm pin is strong enough! Now any pinned towing equipment there is room for movement as the pin goes into a clearance hole. It has to be a 'clearance' hole for ease of fitting the pin. Having said that on the Southdown gear I have to knock the pins in as they are so tight, more like an interference fit. Brendan |
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14th Jan 2018 8:14pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17451
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If you fit jaws to the front bumper, I strongly recommend you fit spreader plates inside the bumper behind them. I made a pair of 6mm steel plates through which the bolts pass.
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14th Jan 2018 8:14pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708 
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Please don't use Jate Rings for off road recovery. Have a look to see what fixes a Jate Ring to the vehicle and you will see why they are not suitable.
They are simple lashing points. 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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14th Jan 2018 8:44pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324
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Brendan, will email you shortly, some other bits at your site I'd like to discuss as well
Blackwolf, certainly yes - and finally a job I can use the rotabroach from work on  Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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15th Jan 2018 4:02am |
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