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| Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037   
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There are also plans to implement licensing for private users:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42126150 |
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3rd Jan 2018 1:49pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905 
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Gosh, I never knew it was so complicated! Makes interesting reading.
Is it nosey to ask what your line of work is needing all the drones? Photography? Still a fantastic photo! James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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3rd Jan 2018 2:13pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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The regulations are pretty complicated as they sit under the Air Navigation Order which is comprehensive and drone use is covered in a number of sections of it. In addition to this, there are the privacy and data protection concerns which drive a lot of the rules.
At the end of the day it boils down to common sense, keep away from built up areas, buildings, vehicles and people and keep the drone in sight so if you can see if there are any other airspace users (low flying helicopters / aircraft, paragliders ) or physical hazards (e.q. powerlines). I know a lot of people post footage of the drone following their car but I can't see how you can maintain visual awareness of your surroundings if you're in the vehicle, particularly if the drone is following you from behind and you're driving the car.  |
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3rd Jan 2018 2:28pm |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 627  
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This seems a great Catch 22 type regulation. " (anywhere used for residential, business or 'leisure' activities). "
As if you are flying for non commercial reasons it is a leisure activity. So by being able to fly there it is prohibited you do fly there. Are the rules for RC aircraft and drones exactly the same now? 1995 Defender 110 CSW 1971 SIIA Lightweight |
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3rd Jan 2018 5:15pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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Hi Ramsay, the CAA definition of a congested area is "any area which is substantially used for residential, commercial, industrial or recreational purposes", it therefore covers parks. sports grounds etc.
It is essentially the same rules that have been applied to RC aircraft for a number of years, however, as most if not all drones now carry cameras, they now come under the 'surveillance aircraft' definition which is much stricter (hence the 150m / 50m rules). |
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3rd Jan 2018 5:20pm |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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Seems to me that the system encourages many drone users to operate outside of the current rules ; a bit like CB radio in the early days but without some of the potential dangers.
If we take some approx costs ( from my limited research ) Drone £1000 Course £1000+ vat Insurance £450 +... CAA licence £112 + vat ( min) The above are possibly ok for a commercial operation but for an amateur who wants to take some video at say an outdoor wedding or a local fete the above isn’t going to work. So now you have a group who operate totally outside the law ; hardly a basis for regulation. There needs to be a system that works for everyone . Guy May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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4th Jan 2018 8:14am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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Chopperone: I get that there is a lot of regulation, however the vast majority of it applies equally to both commercial and non commercial operators and is primarily there for safety and privacy.
e.g. Neither commercial or 'leisure' operators are allowed to fly within 50m of buildings, people or vehicles not under their control. If you want to film at an outdoor wedding therefore, whether for money or not, you'd need to show that the guests at the wedding were under your control and you had permission from the land owners to fly within 50m of any buildings or structures. Similarly, neither are allowed to fly in controlled airspace without air traffic control consent. As an example, most of the Derby area is in controlled airspace from the surface upwards due to the proximity of East Midlands airport. If you want to fly in that area, whether commercially or not, you need explicit permission from ATC. With regards to the costs, the drone has to be purchased whether commercial or not so it's really down to the insurance and training. The training / certification shows to clients that you (should!) know what you're doing and are aware of the safety implications. The insurance is there for when your drone decides to malfunction at 400ft and drop on the brides head or has a battery fire and torches the marquee.... |
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4th Jan 2018 9:50am |
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| Chopperone Member Since: 13 Nov 2016 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 396
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I understand CAS ( I used to have a Pilots licence) & whilst part of Derby comes under East Mids there is a greater part of it not covered.
I also own my own land & none of it is within controlled air space although aircraft from East Mids transit in/out at approx 8000 ft + . I also understand air law albeit a bit rusty. Just seems wrong that there isn't more effort being made to bring drone pilots onside rather than being a bit more accepting of the situation & allowing people to register their drones on a amateur basis. May your life be like toilet paper ; long & useful. |
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4th Jan 2018 5:27pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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Much easier when your a proper pilot...just apply to the CAA, demonstrate practical handling of the drone weight required and boom, your ok...I suppose the £40k of flight training probably is a negative
 but it is a useful route for ppl to atpl licence holders Mike |
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5th Jan 2018 12:06am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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HI Mse, inndeed a private pilots license exempts you from one day of the 3 day course and saves you a few hundred quid ( https://uav-air.com/drone-courses/abbreviated-drone-course )
You still need the flight test, Operations Manual and Insurance to fly commerically though. A quick link to what can happen if it goes wrong: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-34936739 Fly safe! |
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6th Jan 2018 10:13am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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According to the CAA and ive done it (as an ATPL) you only need to demonstrate handling of a drone of that weight - thats just some independently verified flight test
 ...not really to the level of worry of an IR Multi flight test though, anyone half competent and sensible can do it... even though my union (BALPA) make a big deal about drones - its not really an issue.
Funny things that the providers of these "courses" arent really regulated anywhere near the standards of a commercial flight school or those of us with FI certificates, even though they make out they are!! it is an excuse to charge people largely and big up the activity (but thats the same in many areas!) Ops manual inst too hard for anyone involved in real flying - you want to see a commercial flight operations manual! insurance - well thats just a policy, like all commercial insurance, providers, etc etc etc vary. Most importantly - adhere to air law, apply some common sense and you'll be fine Mike |
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6th Jan 2018 7:34pm |
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