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Paulv8

Member Since: 09 Jun 2013
Location: Milton Keynes
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Security

How viable is it that we start a list of bona-fide verified members? To be on the list you must be verified by another member who has met you, knows your address, knows you etc. There would not be "guarantees", but at least we would then know that at least a lot of us are genuine? People not on the list or not known have the option of being deemed safe by dint of long communication (or other agreed method) or visiting or being visited by another member for a chat.

Because you see, I don't actually approve of PayPal. They are robbing

in my book. Also a relay service needs to be done using a trusted network, not some dodgy pikeys who nicks your seats. V8 90...WIP

11th Nov 2017 10:45am

Martin
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Location: Hook Norton
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It's a fine idea Paul, but it would likely be a full time job for someone, plus the liability involved in getting it wrong

Lots of ideas floating around my head as well (including stopping ads entirely).

Understand your comments on PayPal too, however for a buyer what's the alternative? The banks have no similar secured/protected fraud-free system in place.

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11th Nov 2017 11:10am

apt100

Member Since: 05 Mar 2015
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 1547

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Do you mean in the context of "safe sellers"? or a general two tier system throughout the forum?
The former makes some sense, not sure about the latter.
One thing to bear in mind is that by definition this is an internet forum and not a "real" 4x4 club and some people might live remote or work unsociable hours etc and shouldn't be made to feel second class members or feel left out in general.
But when it comes to selling, which is (or is meant to be) a peripheral benefit and not the core purpose of the forum then any pre-screening etc is fair game.

One thing we shouldn't do is let the recent incident ruin the forum (easy for me to say as I wasn't a victim).
Just my thoughts.

Edit: started typing before Martin's reply but was slooow)

11th Nov 2017 11:22am

Paulv8

Member Since: 09 Jun 2013
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 618

Martin wrote:
It's a fine idea Paul, but it would likely be a full time job for someone, plus the liability involved in getting it wrong

Lots of ideas floating around my head as well (including stopping ads entirely).

Understand your comments on PayPal too, however for a buyer what's the alternative? The banks have no similar secured/protected fraud-free system in place.

There must be a method of doing it without it being a huge workload. Also it must be understood there is no liability. It is up to the group (who would alawys jnow at least one other person) to self police. V8 90...WIP

11th Nov 2017 1:25pm

Paulv8

Member Since: 09 Jun 2013
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 618

apt100 wrote:
Do you mean in the context of "safe sellers"? or a general two tier system throughout the forum?
The former makes some sense, not sure about the latter.
One thing to bear in mind is that by definition this is an internet forum and not a "real" 4x4 club and some people might live remote or work unsociable hours etc and shouldn't be made to feel second class members or feel left out in general.
But when it comes to selling, which is (or is meant to be) a peripheral benefit and not the core purpose of the forum then any pre-screening etc is fair game.

One thing we shouldn't do is let the recent incident ruin the forum (easy for me to say as I wasn't a victim).
Just my thoughts.

Edit: started typing before Martin's reply but was slooow)

I meant the former V8 90...WIP

11th Nov 2017 1:26pm

Vintagepaul

Member Since: 20 Jan 2015
Location: Rye, East Sussex
Posts: 482

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Martin wrote:
It's a fine idea Paul, but it would likely be a full time job for someone, plus the liability involved in getting it wrong

Lots of ideas floating around my head as well (including stopping ads entirely).

Understand your comments on PayPal too, however for a buyer what's the alternative? The banks have no similar secured/protected fraud-free system in place.

It would be a real shame if the actions of one forum member mean't we cannot buy and sell on here.

If the only safe way of sending money is to use Paypal then perhaps make that a requirement of selling on here, I appreciate that they charge but it amounts to between 3 & 4% so in reality on a £200 item it's around £7. Not a lot for the reassurance that if something goes wrong you can get your money back. 2015 Defender 90XS HT

11th Nov 2017 2:44pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

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Its simple if someone comes on here to sell with a few posts dont buy off them. If a long term poster is selling something ask other members if its safe to buy. 130's have feeling's as well you know

11th Nov 2017 3:37pm

ken

Member Since: 18 Aug 2009
Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !!
Posts: 4328

What he said

11th Nov 2017 4:48pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4209

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What about making it mandatory for all ads to explicitly state that payment can be made by PayPal protected purchase? Could the forum automatically put a header or footer on all ads to say the buyer should use PayPal to buy? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

11th Nov 2017 4:57pm

Nidge

Member Since: 27 Jan 2008
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AndrewS wrote:
Its simple if someone comes on here to sell with a few posts dont buy off them. If a long term poster is selling something ask other members if its safe to buy.

Yes Andrew and Ken I agree but this Con man was smart and its easy see how people got caught out ......

I believe he had a post count of over 400 odd, which he was bumping up by adding words to the word association thread and commenting now and again in threads to make it look like he was a genuine member.

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11th Nov 2017 5:03pm

Procta

Member Since: 03 Dec 2016
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pug306.net changed their rules on selling, by stating if you want to sell anything, you have to become a donator, That way if there was any trouble the buyer could ask for the address of the seller from the admin etc. The club used the extra money to upgrade the site software etc, Question did it work? yes it did. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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11th Nov 2017 5:21pm

flydive

Member Since: 27 Aug 2015
Location: Lugano
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Re: Security

Paulv8 wrote:
How viable is it that we start a list of bona-fide verified members? To be on the list you must be verified by another member who has met you, knows your address, knows you etc.

Might work for UK members, but what about us foreigners?

11th Nov 2017 5:23pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4209

I think the problem, from Martin’s perspective, once you start collecting personal data you are into a whole world of regulation. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

11th Nov 2017 5:25pm

Paulv8

Member Since: 09 Jun 2013
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 618

Re: Security

flydive wrote:
Paulv8 wrote:
How viable is it that we start a list of bona-fide verified members? To be on the list you must be verified by another member who has met you, knows your address, knows you etc.

Might work for UK members, but what about us foreigners?

Well it is difficult. But like I also said, there needs to be an additional process which may just involve direct comms with some evidence.

Personally I would have to go through that process with you anyway to buy/sell as you are abroad. So doing it once and having you on a deemed safe list would reassure me. V8 90...WIP

11th Nov 2017 5:36pm

ginjez

Member Since: 18 Sep 2011
Location: huddersfield
Posts: 1762

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I think I will keep my avatar as it is for now.

11th Nov 2017 6:26pm

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