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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816   
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Flydive, simples, I buy from you, you buy from me. We are no foreigners to each other. Most others are though. 
Now seriously, all these site policing and seller vetting suggestions are not necessarily going to help this forum. Cannot imagine that def2 would go the way as Paulv8 suggests. Members being given some kind of reliability rating. Before you know it you arrive at a caste system, and very ugly discussions will be flying around on here. I still remember the freedom of speech discussion on here, don't ever want to see something like that start again. People simply have run into this coatseyyy trap with open eyes, when you re-read the 23 pages of all coatseyyy posts there is not one single post with some real substance. A dirty quick check of this should have raised an easy flag. Lesson learned I hope. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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12th Nov 2017 3:19am |
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| RockJaw Member Since: 15 Oct 2013 Location: United States Posts: 317  
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Leaving things as they are is allowing hope to triumph over reality Pickles - it doesn't work, and the main reason it won't work is these scummy types have a bush telegraph, once they get a feed at the swine trough the site earns a reputation as easy scamming for them. If we don't try to increase the prospects of consequences for these sorts of actions we will just become more attractive targets to them. Remember, this guy got away with about AU$12,000 in loot - it is an attractive haul for the next scammer Can we eliminate the problem? No, of course not, but we should still think about improving our defences and start devising better precautions. ****CENSORED**** Last edited by RockJaw on 12th Nov 2017 9:32pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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12th Nov 2017 3:59am |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3787  
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Rockjaw,..."Improving our defences & devising better precautions", is what I'm talking about.
Ya can't have the same defence against everything & everyone, but a devised series of checks before committing dollars would go a long way to safeguarding your hardearned? Pickles. |
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12th Nov 2017 6:53am |
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| barbel jim Member Since: 12 Dec 2012 Location: Northants Posts: 1431  
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What about a simple Feedback thread? Thank you thread ?? in the for sale section. Easy reference and can add to it
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12th Nov 2017 7:01am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1035 
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What about an escrow system? Payment made to Defender2 administrators, not released until buyer is happy with the goods? Could even be done through PayPal's friends payment system to avoid charges.
Small fee to help fund the site. I recently sold some seat bases through here. First sale, but all went smoothly. Probably needs some fine-tuning as I have no idea the number of transactions involved. |
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12th Nov 2017 7:25am |
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| TVR Tommy Member Since: 26 Nov 2013 Location: Bucks Posts: 180 
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What about all items in an ad must have a piece of paper hand written in the frist picture with your forum name and the date of the item going live on def2. This at least shows that the item is in possession of the seller.
People should do the purchasing openly on the thread not hidden in pm’s. ie pm sent. Another forum i’m on people put OHPF (on hold pending funds) as soon as someone has committed to buy an item. No money has changed hands at this point. They also have a hero’s and villains part of the forum where you can leave feed back. It’s a real disappointment this has happened. But easy money for the criminally minded. I’ve put myself in the firing line to be ripped off in the past. But I find the for sale section great and i’ve bought a lot off used bits off Def2. It’ll be a real shame to loose it. |
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12th Nov 2017 8:03am |
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| flydive Member Since: 27 Aug 2015 Location: Lugano Posts: 290 
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12th Nov 2017 9:12am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3339 
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Firstly let me say I am sad to read some folks have been scammed. I'm not sure exactly what happened but it is horrible to not only lose money but the feeling of being duped in this way.
However some of the talk on this and the other thread seems way OTT to me and gives an extremely poor impression of this forum and it's members. IMO the rules currently in place, Paypal or payment on collection are as near fullproof as possible. Paypal not only guarantees you get your money refunded if you do not receive the goods but also gives recourse should they not be as advertised. If a seller does not accept paypal then rightly or wrongly, like many, i would always assume the seller/goods dubious and walk away. As mentioned above a feedback/thank you thread would help give peace of mind and it does work very well on other forums. As does feedback on the individual sale threads. This in particular gives other potential buyers an idea of reliability, time taken to post and stops dead any chance of one item being sold multiple times. Anyway just my 2 cents. It's still a great forum and thank you to Martin for the great work. Last edited by Zed on 12th Nov 2017 9:51pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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12th Nov 2017 9:31am |
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| RockJaw Member Since: 15 Oct 2013 Location: United States Posts: 317
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Agreed - but some people don't trust Paypal - and who can blame them? In these instances perhaps a "PayPal only" policy for everyone and where that is impossible the forum could itself open a bank account to accept funds for those who do not/will not accept Paypal (escrow) and once the sale & delivery is concluded the non-PayPal member will be paid from that account minus a small transaction fee to cover costs. We would need to examine the legal implications of doing this though ****CENSORED**** |
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12th Nov 2017 9:39pm |
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| Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2651 
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I'm in the supreme clothing 'hype'
Clothing that can sell for 5-10x its original costs... the group is very strict due to the number of scammers and fakes floating about - we don't have a problem with the items being fake, tagged pictures are required for all items advertised - this could of helped here but not fool proof.. we could start a legit check thread, people either post screen shots with names of people they have done trades with to verify them as reputable, there is then a list in the first post of everyone who is confirmed as genuine.. |
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12th Nov 2017 9:54pm |
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| meeerrrk Member Since: 12 Feb 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 548
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a couple of effective things I've seen work on other forums;
- buyer / seller feedback thread - every item must have a photo with your username displayed with it - ie a piece of paper with your user name and the date. - all negotiations in open forum, not via pm - Paypal only obviously not totally fool proof or easily police-able - but seem to work. My 90 Project : http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic52774.html |
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12th Nov 2017 9:58pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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If you ask who owns paypal you may get the answer to your question! Brendan |
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12th Nov 2017 10:37pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4224 
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Based on my own experiences PayPal may protect buyers, but leaves sellers very vulnerable to fraud. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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12th Nov 2017 10:44pm |
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| apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547 
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^^^ in which case, do we now need a list of vetted and approved buyers as well as sellers?
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12th Nov 2017 10:55pm |
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