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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816   
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Dealer said that they already unscrewed the dipstick tube to see if the broken off part was stuck in there, but apparently not. Guess most likely it sits somewhere at the bottom of the sump. New sump and pasta are on order for Tuesday install.
When you do a search for broken dipstick on here, you will read several comments that the intake pipe/pump has a gauze fitted, so little chance the piece could be sucked into the engine, let alone pass the oil filter as a first step. Will discuss at dealer Monday, then get the new sump installed Tuesday. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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8th Sep 2017 6:04pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 
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Unfortunately. Glyn who made that comment hasn't been on here for nearly four years. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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8th Sep 2017 9:24pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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So this morning the new sump arrived at my dealer (sorry, retailer)
 
The just fresh oil was drained again, old sump taken off, and yes, the broken off dipstick tip was in there. No way to use a magnet to draw it to the drainage hole as the dipstick tip is aluminium. As dealer said that reinstalling a sump after removing is a guarantee for leaks as the sump by definition will have deformed, brand new sump installed again with fresh paste. No leaks. A new dipstick is on order, but this seems a factory order so will take about 10 days or so. They put in the correct amount of 6.8 liters of fresh oil again, and I just have to trust that the level is good as the dipstick for now is sitting in there without the measuring tip. Those who have been here for a long time will remember that this is not a unique fault, quite a few threads exist about this very same problem. As I still checked the oil myself about three weeks ago before going on a holiday trip, and knowing about this problem I always remove the dipstick carefully, I did not notice anything at that moment that something was about the break off. Never had any real resistance when removing the dipstick, so seems a case of poor quality metal fatigue. Conclusion is that Defender Tdci dipsticks are consumables, mine broke after 9 years, but quite a few do earlier than that. I guess from now on I am going to keep a spare in storage, and even if nothing appears wrong, replace it every 4 or 5 years now. The good thing to know is that dealer confirmed nothing bad could have happened, from the sump to the oil filter there is a strainer, so no way that a broken off piece which is left to sit in the sump would ever be able to make it into the oil filter, let alone the engine. Just have to dig out my Dinitrol cans in a few weeks from now, and when there indeed are zero leaks, Dinitrol the new sump. A few pics below. Eric  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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12th Sep 2017 4:15pm |
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| flydive Member Since: 27 Aug 2015 Location: Lugano Posts: 290 
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Personally I would just have left it in.
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12th Sep 2017 4:36pm |
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| Ramsay Member Since: 30 Sep 2015 Location: Moffat, Dumfries & Galloway Posts: 627  
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If that is what it looks like a Mazak die casting onto the end of a steel braid rope I am impressed that it lasted as long as nine years inside an engine.
The spring steel dipsticks were just too an expensive an idea for Ford 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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12th Sep 2017 4:56pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2415  
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Another taste of abysmal quality Puma 110" SW
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12th Sep 2017 5:32pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 
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How common occurance is it though? I mean that's two examples on here, out of how many Defender's with a Puma engine?
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12th Sep 2017 6:40pm |
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| HK07 Member Since: 15 Dec 2016 Location: Hampshire Posts: 746  
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I knew nothing of this as an issue, thanks for sharing
I did however notice my dipstick was sticking 10-15% of the way up just after i bought it 9 years ago. I took the dipstick out and ground the top edge of the alloy measure at the bottom down to a very gentle taper. It now slips out with ease after one tug of the yellow hoop. That statement needs to be taken in the context of this thread.  2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned.
1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned. 1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned. |
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12th Sep 2017 8:06pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Several times discussed... http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic23478....n+dipstick http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic28436.html?highlight=dipstick http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic15961.html?highlight=dipstick http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic8846.html?highlight=dipstick You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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13th Sep 2017 1:34am |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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So about 6 occurances in 10 years.
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13th Sep 2017 8:41am |
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| HeX Member Since: 10 Jun 2014 Location: Home Posts: 4 |
That would be seven then now
Just made an oil change and of course AFTER having filled it with new oil the tip has broken off. I've now drained the oil and was about to take the sump down. But after reading that there is no danger the tip interfering with the engine (not even with the crankshaft?) I probably just fill the oil again and order a new dipstick. |
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21st Apr 2018 3:55pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2415
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If the tip is made of steel I would just put a magnet on the oil pan. Puma 110" SW
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21st Apr 2018 6:05pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Dipstick tip is aluminium.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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22nd Apr 2018 5:09am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Out of interest how do you remove/insert the dipstick when checking? Could it be that placing the end of the dipstick on the top of the tube and pushing as it goes down has over time caused this damage? I tend to hold the wire several inches above the end with my right hand and bend the wire down with my left to ensure the first six inches or so go down the tube exactly square. |
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22nd Apr 2018 8:23am |
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