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| Maverick Member Since: 08 Mar 2008 Location: Inverurie! Posts: 261   
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I'm looking for a bit of advise, I past my test July 2009, and I'm looking at towing. Most likely a quad bike or just general
 in the trailer. What's the regulations? Some people say I definitely need to do a test, others say that as long as I don't exceed a maximum weight I'm fine, but I'm just confused. I'd be towing with a 300TDi 90, if that helps.
Would this website be correct? 
http://www.towing-solutions.co.uk/trailer-...wchart.htm Thanks Ben Ben Rebuilt 1996 black/white Defender 90 300 TDi |
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21st Mar 2011 10:18am |
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| BBSJK Member Since: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ledbury, Herefs Posts: 100  
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Yes that website looks right. Passing your test when you did means that your don't automatically get trailer entitllement. Look on your licence you'll have cat B but BE will be on you paperpart under provisional.
Basically you can tow an unbraked trailer (upto 750Kg) with no problems. If the trailer is braked then the total weight of the car (or Landi in this case?) plus the trailer must not exceed 3500Kg (gross train weight). They calculate this from the Kerb Weight of the car plus the Maximum Weight of the Trailer. This means that if you have a nice 3.5T Ifor Williams trailer then your up to your maximum before you add the car ! So on the back of your Landy (Lets says it's 2T for ease of maths), a 750Kg unbraked is OK; a homemade trailer and 'junk' in it is OK under 1500Kg; a plated trailer under 1500Kg is OK. Any trailer with a plate over 1500Kg then book yourself in for the test! JK No the other left . . . |
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21st Mar 2011 11:05am |
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| funrover Member Since: 12 Dec 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 130  
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Here it is from the horses mouth: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Drive...G_10013073 Editor of FunRover - One blog. Read it!
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21st Mar 2011 11:06am |
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| bm52 Member Since: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Kent Posts: 2189 
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This is a coincidence, i was talking to my son about this.
he has a 90 - assume 2000kg, if he get a trailer plated for a MAM of max 1500kg i read it that he does not need a BE licence, he can use his B licence? is that your understanding. can i also ask when you say an unbraked trailer of 750KG - is that just the trailer or the trailer plus load? in all likelyhood he will be trailering furniture etc so space is more important than weight in his case! thanks and regards BM52 |
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21st Mar 2011 12:26pm |
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| BBSJK Member Since: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ledbury, Herefs Posts: 100
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If the total stays below 3500Kg then he can drive any size car + trailer (the trailer must weigh less than the car) on his B licence. The trailer weight is either the trailer + load (if it is not plated) or the Max weight stated on the plate. An unbraked trailer (including load) is not allowed to exceed 750Kg.
So Caravan usually yes, Horse Box usually no. Trailering furniture be a bit careful, if the trailer is plated then it will be more than allowed and homemade big trailers are usually heavy. I have taught Trailer test in the past and I had one guy who towed a mini-stock on a homemade trailer (using a disco). We went to the bother of going to the local weighbridge and all the weights were OK. His Dad then bought him a new Ifor Car Trailer (very smart bit of kit for £5k) that towed better, was lighter and was far safer. However it was plated 3500Kg so he had to do his test! 
Another way around getting a test is to drive on L-plates. As long as he is always accompianied (by someone with BE) then this is OK and can drive on the Motorway. I had a guy do this until he was 21 then he took his CE (HGV 1) licence and this upgrades the car without having to do the test. JK No the other left . . . |
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21st Mar 2011 1:13pm |
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| bm52 Member Since: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Kent Posts: 2189
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BBSJK - thanks for bringing clarity to my muddled brain
 BM52 |
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21st Mar 2011 1:29pm |
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| Maverick Member Since: 08 Mar 2008 Location: Inverurie! Posts: 261
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Thanks all for your help, just want to double check I've got this right.
I've got a home made trailer, I think its 2x2 or 2x3, not 100% sure. THe quad bike weights about 215 kg according to the specs I found on the internet. So, with the 90 weighing just under 2 tonnes, quad bike at 215 kg and the home made trailer, I'd guess to weigh around 200 kg I would not need the B+E licence. Basically, can tow anything that weighs less that 1.5 tonnes incl. its load. Just want to make sure I've got this totally right! Thanks again Maverick Ben Rebuilt 1996 black/white Defender 90 300 TDi |
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21st Mar 2011 1:41pm |
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| BBSJK Member Since: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ledbury, Herefs Posts: 100
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I'd agree, don't need a B+E. To be sure you could go to any public weighbridge and get the combo weighed (last time was about £8 ). Then keep the weighticket in the car just in case Mr Plod says anything.
Jonathan No the other left . . . |
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21st Mar 2011 1:48pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8581
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As long as it is (a) braked over 750kg, (b) non plated trailer and load does not exceed 1500kg (c) plated trailer of 1500 kg Our flat bed trailer has over run brakes, weighs 600kg(?) but you could not tow it even empty with a 90 as the plated weigh is 2,600 kg. Towing regulations/lighting regulations etc are enough to confuse most sensible people Brendan PS Would still advise getting the E bit, saves hassle when friends ask you to do them a favour and tow something heavy |
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21st Mar 2011 2:43pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5037 
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There is always a lot about this...and whilst the explinations above are some of the best - my simple recommendation would be this.
If in doubt, DO A TEST. Personally there is no point messing around and/or trying to convince plod at the side of the road that as long as your below 3.5kg and the defender is XXX...blah blah blah. I dont agree with the extra test, i do have the extra entitlement - but just go and get it done, it will see you right for life then! Mike |
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21st Mar 2011 4:38pm |
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| Maverick Member Since: 08 Mar 2008 Location: Inverurie! Posts: 261
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Unladen? This is really confusing. Only problem with doing the test is its not something I can really afford! Ben Rebuilt 1996 black/white Defender 90 300 TDi |
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21st Mar 2011 4:59pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5037
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Whilst i appreciate that...my agrument is could you afford to loose your licence? Mike |
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21st Mar 2011 5:11pm |
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| Maverick Member Since: 08 Mar 2008 Location: Inverurie! Posts: 261
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This is true. But from all the info here and the government, as long as I get the weight correct I can infact tow the quad bike. Which is what I need to do, needs the engine looked at. I do want to get the test done though, so I guess I'll start saving... I hate being a student some times! Ben
Rebuilt 1996 black/white Defender 90 300 TDi |
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21st Mar 2011 5:32pm |
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| BBSJK Member Since: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ledbury, Herefs Posts: 100
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Little tip. If you go for some lessons look for someone who normally does Truck lessons and has expanded into B+E rather than a car instructor who has expanded to towing. The B+E test is based on the HGV and PCV tests so best going at it from that direction.
Jonathan No the other left . . . |
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21st Mar 2011 6:55pm |
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