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| Fifth Horseman Member Since: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Lanarkshire Posts: 322   
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All switches on the dash need to be unplugged, heater controls released from the dash (4 screws). The steering wheel, steering cowl, instrument panel and demister vent pipework need to be removed access the rear of the wiper wheel-boxes, the whole dash doesn't need to be completely removed but does need to be released to give access.
Its easy enough to do if you take your time, just a bit fiddly in places. The straight run of the drive cable makes it a bit easier than on the earlier Defenders, but having to remove the dash compensates for this  |
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27th Jun 2017 11:16am |
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| Lightningtweeds Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Fintry Posts: 461  
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LR quotes 8h to change spindles but my indy charged 3h.
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27th Jun 2017 11:31am |
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| ChrisCM Member Since: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Cornwall uk Posts: 572 
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Interesting, I looked at the LR workshop manual and their process seems to involve the complete removal of the dash. Perhaps your indi is only moving it just far enough forward to gain access. If the Official LR methods takes 8 hrs I wonder if you're paying for their tea and lunch breaks as well!
It's a bit like the Official LR methods of changing the cam belt on a Disco 3, take the body off! Thanks for the info Fifth Horseman, rather as I suspected, I'll get the parts ordered, 2 wheel boxes and a cable so they are waiting for me when I get back to Cornwall. 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black. |
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27th Jun 2017 9:59pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386 
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It's not difficult, loosen the dash and pull it away from the bulkhead. I've done it twice in the last 210,000 miles.
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27th Jun 2017 10:02pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209 
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Even a ham fisted fool like me, following the workshop manual and removing the entire dash managed to replace my wiper mech in under 8 hours. LR really do like to rinse their customers. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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28th Jun 2017 6:35am |
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| ChrisCM Member Since: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Cornwall uk Posts: 572
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Thanks for all the advice and encouragement guys, I intend to wait for a couple of dry days when I get home ( no undercover work area
) and get stuck in, as you've all said, slow and steady.
Black Wolf, was most impressed with your North Devon wiper mishap in another post, was that in a Puma? If so 
One more thing, do I have to take the motor out to replace the rack cable? Thanks again all, Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black. |
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28th Jun 2017 8:34am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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Yes, 2007 Puma.
Yes, take the motor out, it's by far the easiest way. In outline to replace the wheelboxes and rack, you need to:- 1) Remove the wipers from their spindles, 2) Loosen the dash from the bulkhead so that you can cram various body parts between the dash and bulkhead in a fairly painful and knuckle-scraping way 3) Undo the big nut that secures the outer tube of the drive rack to the motor. 4) Unbolt the motor from the bulkhead and remove it from the car, pulling the drive rack out of the tube as you do so (it'll be greasy and horrible, so keep it clear of clean things like seats) 5) Unbolt the gearbox cover of the motor and it is then obvious how to detach the rack from the motor. 6) With the help of a second person (unless you have astonishingly long arms), remove the wheelboxes. This is a little bit of a simplification, an overview, if you like, but in essence it is all there is to it. Reassembly is the reverse, but make sure that the wheelboxes, rack, and gearbox are extremely well lubricated, because you don't want to do this job too often! |
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28th Jun 2017 9:37am |
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| ChrisCM Member Since: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Cornwall uk Posts: 572
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Hi Black Wolf,
Thanks for that, when we did my sons 300tdi we were replacing the motor as well so obviously had it out and fitted the new cable rack. I'll try and take some photos as I go along, maybe useful for others. Thanks again, Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black. |
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28th Jun 2017 3:51pm |
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| carrotbay Member Since: 18 Aug 2013 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 699
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Hi .. I had exactly the same issue last week and decided the have a look last weekend. I suspecting the rack so was seeing whether I could get it out without removing the dash. It was one of those moments where you start taking things apart and then step back and go
I ended up taking out the dash completely to get to the wheel boxes. I found the rack to be fine but the wheel boxes practically seized. I had to put them in a vice to get them to turn with a pair of grips. I'm hoping that the resistance they've been putting on the motor hasn't damaged it. New wheelboxes have now arrived (genuine from 4x4island .. seemed the cheapest) and will have a go at putting it all back together again this weekend .. hoping for no left over screws!  Click image to enlarge Best of luck! 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X |
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28th Jun 2017 7:50pm |
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| ChrisCM Member Since: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Cornwall uk Posts: 572
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Wow, I was hoping not to have to go that far 😱, is it necessary to take the gear sticks off?
Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black. |
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28th Jun 2017 9:52pm |
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| carrotbay Member Since: 18 Aug 2013 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 699
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I found that I needed that extra room that I got when I removed the gearbox cover. Wasn't a big problem .. 8 screws or so and unclip the gearstick. I think in total it took about a hour or so to get it apart but no doubt longer to get it back together again. 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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28th Jun 2017 10:49pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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I renewed the complete wiper system without disturbing the gear levers.
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28th Jun 2017 11:48pm |
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| Lightningtweeds Member Since: 16 May 2017 Location: Fintry Posts: 461
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I seem to remember reading that the Puma spindle gears are now made of plastic for quietness but strip easily but pre Puma were aluminium that lasted longer?
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29th Jun 2017 6:40am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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I've not heard that myself, and the last set I bought (perhaps 3 years ago) were definitiely not plastic. Anyone bought some recently?
I don't like the idea of plastic gears. I can't actually believe that it would have been done for noise reasons, but I could believe cost reasons. |
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29th Jun 2017 8:18am |
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