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Profyaffle



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Oh Dear
Having decided that today was the day to investigate my front wheel wobble I removed the wheel, seal, hub and found out that i don't have the old style hub nut but the newer single nut set up with a spacer..This nut wasn't very tight so I thought that could be my problem... I took the washer and bearings ou,t cleaned checked over, regreased and popped it back together with a new nut. when tightened to correct torque the hub wouldn't move so i back it off a smidge... on spinning the hub before I did this there was a rubbing noise which I thought was a brake pad so just to make sure I thought I would remove the calliper... (you can see where this is going wrong)... anyway in my infinite wisdom I undid the 2 bolt on top of the hub where the brake pipe is attached thinking I could just lift it off... I didn't get that far as a heard a dripping...and there under my swivel was an ever growing puddle of black greasy/oil
Question is... WHAT HAVE I DONE? Shocked
How can I fix this?
Thanks is advance 1993 200Tdi Defender 90
Post #630209 9th Jun 2017 2:32pm
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meeerrrk



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
that's the top swivel pin you've let the swivel/ hub drop, the oil has come out of the housing because the swivel is not central in the seal.

support the hub to lift it back into position, fit the pin (ensure the bearing is seated correctly or you could damage it...ask me how I know) and tighten the pin back down. You can check the swivel pre-load while you are there, and don't forget to top it back up with a one shot grease pack! My 90 Project : http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic52774.html
Post #630215 9th Jun 2017 3:43pm
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Profyaffle



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Thank you Meeerrrk... I haven't removed the pin from the top and one of the bolts wasn't fully removed.. I have tightened them back up and refilled with one shot grease and it isn't leaking as yet.. however I have put the wheel back on and my wobble still remains... Rolling Eyes just at the 9-3 o'clock position..with the brakes on or off. The wheel spins ok with a minor brake rub noise which is the same on the other side.. no other grating noises.. and no wobble top and bottom..
Could it be the inner bearing?
Should I change to the old set up of having nuts and locking tabs rather than just the spacer and stake nut?
cheers.. 1993 200Tdi Defender 90
Post #630375 10th Jun 2017 2:42pm
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Maris Widgeon



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If it is at the 9 to 3 position, have you checked the track - rod ends for play ? Steering wear can play some funny tricks .
Nick
Post #630385 10th Jun 2017 3:30pm
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Mo Murphy



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The wheel bearings are a pair, you cannot adequately inspect them both without removing the hub, which you cannot remove without removing the caliper.
When you have to remove the 2 bolts that secure the top swivel pin to free the hose bracket, pop the jack under the bottom of the swivel housing to support it, (don't jack it up !), just so it's touching. You won't lose all your one shot then 😊
Whilst the hose bracket is out slot the 2 bolt holes in it to the edge with your hacksaw, next time it needs to come out you can then just slacken the bolts and slide the bracket out and back in when ready.
Personally I think the earlier set up for the wheel bearings is superior but I'm sure there are others out there who will disagree.
Welcome to learning the hard way 😊 but the best way 👍
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

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Post #630387 10th Jun 2017 3:39pm
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Profyaffle



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Maris Widgeon wrote:
If it is at the 9 to 3 position, have you checked the track - rod ends for play ? Steering wear can play some funny tricks .
Nick

thanks Nick.. I just checked them.. they are fairly new.. probably about a year or so old and only done 3,000 miles if that.. they don't have any play on them when i wiggle or turn the wheels.. 1993 200Tdi Defender 90
Post #630403 10th Jun 2017 4:14pm
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Profyaffle



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Mo Murphy wrote:
The wheel bearings are a pair, you cannot adequately inspect them both without removing the hub, which you cannot remove without removing the caliper.
When you have to remove the 2 bolts that secure the top swivel pin to free the hose bracket, pop the jack under the bottom of the swivel housing to support it, (don't jack it up !), just so it's touching. You won't lose all your one shot then 😊
Whilst the hose bracket is out slot the 2 bolt holes in it to the edge with your hacksaw, next time it needs to come out you can then just slacken the bolts and slide the bracket out and back in when ready.
Personally I think the earlier set up for the wheel bearings is superior but I'm sure there are others out there who will disagree.
Welcome to learning the hard way 😊 but the best way 👍
Mo


Or the messy way Laughing
Cheers Mo.. I will do the bracket mod and go for the earlier wheel bearing set up, well I will probably take to a local indie to do the bearings.. I think from what I've read it is looking like a swivel problem as there is still the play in the wheel with the brakes on 1993 200Tdi Defender 90
Post #630404 10th Jun 2017 4:17pm
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blackwolf



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If it is in the 3/9 o'clock position it is unlikely to be a swivel problem, much more likely to be steering ball joints or possibly wheel bearings.

Swivel problems nearly always manifest as 12/6 o'clock movement, for obvious reasons.
Post #630442 10th Jun 2017 7:45pm
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Profyaffle



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Thanks BW... I have ordered a bearing kit to revert to the old way as it seems easier than the spacer method.. I will try to do it myself and hopefully that will fix it Laughing 1993 200Tdi Defender 90
Post #630449 10th Jun 2017 8:27pm
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Mo Murphy



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To convert to the old bearing set up is quite simple and straightforward. Take your time, one step at a time and you'll be fine. Take the time to find the relevant workshop manual page for adjusting wheel bearings, many people have their own methods for adjusting wheel bearing tightness but I'd advise sticking to the letter of the book until you are more experienced.
Good luck and most of all enjoy 😊
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

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Post #630570 11th Jun 2017 3:44pm
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