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ashtrans
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Member Since: 08 Nov 2008
Location: Harpenden
Posts: 256

mrwoo wrote:
I think they developed a new bellhousing to mate the Puma engine to the ZF auto box, perhaps this same bellhousing may work with the 6 speed box. Alternativly with enough demand Dave may develop a new bell housing and sell it as a package with the box, especially with GKN overdrives being in short demand.

Rich

Are you there Ashcroft, any thoughts Dave?

Hi Rich,

we have looked into this but can't see a way of doing it,

the 6 speed has an integral bellhousing so you can't just make a new bellhousing like we did with the ZF to the puma, also the bellhousing diameter is quite small and will not fit over the TD5 clutch.

many people don't understand the 6 speed is not geared higher than the 5 speed, think of it as a 5 speed but with an additional extra low 1st gear, this allows them to fit the higher 1.211 ratio LT230 on the pumas.

many people fit the 1.2 to the TD5 and the higher gears are OK but the criticism can be that 1st is too high when towing, thats why they added the extra low 1st.

PS. what did everyone say when the TD5 came out ? " we want the 300, we don't need a complicated electronic TD5", ring any bells ! Dave

13th Jan 2009 10:03pm

busaboy74

Member Since: 22 Dec 2008
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 27

So what do i need to do to gear up my td5? Sometimes you have to get lost to find yourself

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2002 Defender Td5 110 CSW Overland

2005 D3 TDV6 SE (for sale)

13th Jan 2009 10:45pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5034

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

[quote="ashtrans"]

mrwoo wrote:

PS. what did everyone say when the TD5 came out ? " we want the 300, we don't need a complicated electronic TD5", ring any bells !

Ive said that to a few people...couldnt agree more Mike

13th Jan 2009 11:07pm

mrwoo

Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 286

I'm holding on to a big piece of wood here, but my Puma has done nearly 30k without any glitches and I think the engine is fantastic. I have had 13 Land Rovers up to now Series II, IIA, 3, 300TDi but no TD5. You can find plenty of transits (TDCi) with well over 100k on them which have had very hard lives and still going strong.

One thing I will say about the TD5 that may upset a few people but it was my choice, I bought the 300 after test driving 4 TD5's, and the choice was not over the electrics or lack of either.

14th Jan 2009 9:39am

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

ashtrans wrote:

PS. what did everyone say when the TD5 came out ? " we want the 300, we don't need a complicated electronic TD5", ring any bells !

So why have you

ashtrans wrote:

we have looked into this but can't see a way of doing it,

My issue is, the Puma engine its not designed for the Defender so LR have had to add electronics, ie the idle jack to make it safer to use whilst in low range. Even though they have added these electronics its still a bitch to drive if you want to go real slow.
Its a thirsty engine compared to the TD5. I ran a TD5 and a Puma to Morocco both 110s with similar kit on, the TD5 still had 1/3 tank of fuel when the Puma was empty and this happened on every fuel stop, all vehicles were filled brim full and every time the Puma shouted first for a re-fill.
Dont start me on reliability issues

turbo, fuel system, vac pump, erg ect ect

14th Jan 2009 6:49pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2109

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

I agree with you Andrews. But probably the TD5 was the same at the beginning. Unfortunately we are the lab mices of this model but it is necessary to give some time to LR to fix the bugs that the Puma currently have.
Unfortunately and due future EU regulations TD5 motor cannot be an alternative unless will be modified heavily.

By the way, and touching a big tree, Mine has been very decent in the last 16.000 km.

Regards Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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14th Jan 2009 7:01pm

ashtrans
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Location: Harpenden
Posts: 256

busaboy74 wrote:
So what do i need to do to gear up my td5?

Hi,

we fit the disco 1.2 gear kit :

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/part_34.html

very effective, nothing to go wrong, unlike the overdrives, Dave

14th Jan 2009 7:12pm

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Rimini Red

AndrewS wrote:
ashtrans wrote:

PS. what did everyone say when the TD5 came out ? " we want the 300, we don't need a complicated electronic TD5", ring any bells !

So why have you

ashtrans wrote:

we have looked into this but can't see a way of doing it,

My issue is, the Puma engine its not designed for the Defender so LR have had to add electronics, ie the idle jack to make it safer to use whilst in low range. Even though they have added these electronics its still a bitch to drive if you want to go real slow.
Its a thirsty engine compared to the TD5. I ran a TD5 and a Puma to Morocco both 110s with similar kit on, the TD5 still had 1/3 tank of fuel when the Puma was empty and this happened on every fuel stop, all vehicles were filled brim full and every time the Puma shouted first for a re-fill.
Dont start me on reliability issues turbo, fuel system, vac pump, erg ect ect

Andrew I am 100% with you on that one

14th Jan 2009 7:20pm

ashtrans
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Location: Harpenden
Posts: 256

AndrewS wrote:

So why have you

ashtrans wrote:

we have looked into this but can't see a way of doing it,

Hi Andrew,

we looked at it for a few reasons,

customers were asking us if this is possible,
we have a few new take out 6 speed boxes from the auto conversions,
it would compliment the 1.2 gears on the TD5, Dave

14th Jan 2009 7:20pm

Fatboy Slim

Member Since: 04 Feb 2008
Location: Bridgend
Posts: 1006

[quote="mse"]

ashtrans wrote:
mrwoo wrote:

PS. what did everyone say when the TD5 came out ? " we want the 300, we don't need a complicated electronic TD5", ring any bells !

Ive said that to a few people...couldnt agree more

The only thing is.....................The Td5 was a totally new motor, the tranny engine is not.

Also, the current engine is suffering from problems Ford were having with the 'old' tranny engine back in 2001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EGR probs vacuum pumps made from chocolate etc etc.

I really do hope they sort something out soon, I couldn't really care less about Fords reputation, but LR is a different matter

14th Jan 2009 8:17pm

Nidge

Member Since: 27 Jan 2008
Location: Kildare Ireland
Posts: 815

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Cairns Blue

The Boy is that your defender on the back of a tow truck in Feb. issue of LRM. Under a heading of Complaints and breakdowns !!

See your famous now for all the wrong reasons

14th Jan 2009 8:43pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2109

I dont like to start a competition between TD5s and Pumas, but remember that TD5 had almost 8 year to refine the bugs, Pumas have only 1 year.

In 8 years more (if this motor continues in the production line) probably we will se the same realiability as the TD5s.

My fear is that with the LR owner change, the Puma will be discontinued due the lack/cost of motors (Ford engineering) and be replaced by Fiat or other ones in the next future, given not time to solve the issues of the current motor, given not alternative for us.

Some people said that is better to start from something already proved and modify it to suit your needs and other said that is better start from scratch. But, is a matter of taste and money (it is less exoensive to modify). We can found success and big mistakes in both ways.

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

Click image to enlarge

14th Jan 2009 9:07pm

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

Nidge wrote:
The Boy is that your defender on the back of a tow truck in Feb. issue of LRM. Under a heading of Complaints and breakdowns !!

See your famous now for all the wrong reasons

LOL YES!!!!! It is well know that my 110 has had a lot of trouble and many many recoverys and because of this I was asked if I had some photos of it being taken away on the the truck. Interestingly the Disco 2 in the photo below it was my brothers about four or five years ago in Southern Spain. At the time I had our trusty 200tdi and I did feel quite smug

Don't feel so smug now though

14th Jan 2009 9:09pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

Eduardo wrote:
I dont like to start a competition between TD5s and Pumas, but remember that TD5 had almost 8 year to refine the bugs, Pumas have only 1 year.

In 8 years more (if this motor continues in the production line) probably we will se the same realiability as the TD5s.

My fear is that with the LR owner change, the Puma will be discontinued due the lack/cost of motors (Ford engineering) and be replaced by Fiat or other ones in the next future, given not time to solve the issues of the current motor, given not alternative for us.

Some people said that is better to start from something already proved and modify it to suit your needs and other said that is better start from scratch. But, is a matter of taste and money (it is less exoensive to modify). We can found success and big mistakes in both ways.

Cheers

The TD5 never had the issues the Puma has. Also note that at launch the TD5 was a new engine so a few problems would be expected. Can someone tell me how old the Puma is

15th Jan 2009 12:42am

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2109

AndrewS,

The issue of the failures in the TD5 at the beginning has been discused in other posts like
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic588.html

As I said there, 10 years ago the forums were not so spread like today and we didn't had the opportunity to know every failure that the TD5 has in the beginning like today with the Puma.

Has I said I don't like to start a competion between both models.

In my opinion currently TD5 and Puma have they pros and cons.
Give time to the time and probably we will have a good Puma like the TD5 is in the next future (if they not change the motor... I hope).

Regards Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

Click image to enlarge

15th Jan 2009 2:51am

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