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| Surrey Rover Member Since: 20 Dec 2010 Location: Surrey Posts: 360  |
Having spent an unhealthy amount of time riding around in odd shaped circles my thoughts on braided hoses are that whilst they will make a small improvement the real point of them is to avoid brake fade. I would be surprised under normal use be it on or off road if you managed to get brake fade in a Defender therefore probably are not worth doing.
Like anything it can't hurt but the investment in your time probably won't repay itself, whilst I have fond memories of AP brakes and master cylinders 3K for hauling up a slow moving Tonka toy is a bit extreme, I would love to have them though  |
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3rd Mar 2011 7:01pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6605  
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Alive Tuning do brake upgrades I think - worth a call?
 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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3rd Mar 2011 7:11pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
If I could justify the £2000.00, I would ask Alive for a forum discount and go down this road or if I was feeling really flush then it would be the Entreq solution once it is developed. (I've had Brembo callipers on road cars and they are the dogs danglies IMHO.)
So if I was to get any of the above done I would go the whole hog with SS braided hoses and would not go for drilled or grooved brake discs as that would give mud/grit/stones somewhere to live and would help to destroy 2grands worth of brakes. The extra stopping power when towing would be the main advantage as an unbraked 750kg trailer still exerts a fair bit of force when trying to stop in a hurry. Also the 2 ton caravan with overrun brakes doesn't help the Landy stop that quick either  |
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3rd Mar 2011 7:22pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092 
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Ian (Porny) @ IRB also does brake kits.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply though.  |
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3rd Mar 2011 7:24pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2414  
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Remove to the urban myth section Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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3rd Mar 2011 8:01pm |
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| nakatanenga Member Since: 12 Nov 2010 Location: Neumarkt Posts: 546 
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I am driving Land Rovers for 17 years now and the only bad brakes i had were in a 109 V8 with RRC engine where speed was limitited only by courage and skill of the driver.
If a DEFENDER brake system is in good condition, the calipers are moving fine and the discs are thick enough there is enough stopping power, even for heavy laden cars. Useful upgrades: cross drilled discs, braided hoses, Ultimax pads etc give better performance. Also the use of an ABS type brake booster are all little by little helpful but are not rocket engeneering. An additional electric brake pump gives impressive stopping power.... The dimensions of the OE stuff is OK. If it is maintained well it will stop the train.... WANTED: SII or SIII in max 1.5k |
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3rd Mar 2011 8:04pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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I agree with the comments above stating that the standard brakes are/should be good enough, however I have found that the 130 we have (J-Lo) weighing in at approx 2.6t ish takes some stopping compared to a standard Defender 130. Clearly we drive accordingly and keep the speed down.
My goal is to improve the brakes a little to give it the same stopping power/distance (whatever its called) as a standard 130. I know that there are other factors involved here, tyre type, road conditions. There is no point fitting huge rotors/disc's if there is no grip available from the off road bias tyres fitted to the vehicle. 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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3rd Mar 2011 8:30pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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I run the option you said in the first post EBC drilled slotted discs and green stuff pads makes a big difference and also if you are towing keep the brakes very well adjusted so the over run cuts in early and does not push to much.
You do have to be a little careful when they are stone cold in the morning once warmed up superb If everything is under control you are not going fast enough. Every Day 16 MY Discovery 4 Commercial Workshop and Escort Vehicle Weekends 07MY L322 TDV8 Vogue SE Series 1 80" 3ltr 6cyl with overdrive No Worries 4X4 |
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3rd Mar 2011 8:38pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021  
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braided hoses won't add any difference that you would notice under normal conditions as you describe in my experience.
is it brake assistance you are running out of or just stopping bite? Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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3rd Mar 2011 8:55pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5690 
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I found adding braided hoses made for a much nicer pedal
Andy |
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3rd Mar 2011 9:11pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021
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my pedal still looked the same after i fitted mine.
 Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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3rd Mar 2011 9:30pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195
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I have just read the above again and yes i do know i had to get mine re-plated with HD springs and anti roll bars but my 90 kerbs at 2.9t full tank and me its now plated to 2950 mam (max auth mass) and 6450 max train and the green stuff stops that fine even on 265 bfg all terrains If everything is under control you are not going fast enough. Every Day 16 MY Discovery 4 Commercial Workshop and Escort Vehicle Weekends 07MY L322 TDV8 Vogue SE Series 1 80" 3ltr 6cyl with overdrive No Worries 4X4 |
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3rd Mar 2011 10:28pm |
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| Alive Tuning Member Since: 01 Mar 2010 Location: Louth Posts: 609 
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Although I offer a 6 pot billet conversion for Defender Front brakes, I will shortly be adding a 4 pot billet front calliper conversion too, which can be made to work with either standard size discs, or 2 part bell/rotor as used with our monster 6 conversion.
The beauty of billet brake callipers, is that they can be made to virtually any size, without much difficulty. They're also of a more rigid construction than cast callipers, so give better response. 
Have spent a lot of time testing EBC discs/pads on Defender and Discovery II, and they are not as effective as genuine LR discs/pads. I find that those who say they made a big difference, also say their previous discs/pads were shot when they fitted them! |
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4th Mar 2011 10:23pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5690
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I am runnung EBC pads and don't rate them.
They have a very small window of operation. They don't like the cold, and overheat easily. Won't bother again. My next mod will be to change calipers to 110 ones and vented discs. Andy |
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5th Mar 2011 8:40am |
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