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SJM



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Winch/ Non-winch A-bars
Hi all - will be collecting my new 110XS USW on Tuesday and have added a couple of extras etc. I've decided to add the LR supplied A-bar. At the moment I've got the 'non winch' version going on, but it's obviously possible I'll add a winch in the future, so I'm thinking of changing to the 'winch version' instead. I've had a look at pictures in the brochure, and to me they look identical?!? I'm guessing there must be some difference - does anyone know what it is please?

Forgive the dumb question, but like I say, the photos in the brochure are not very good at showing any difference so want to check before ordering the winch version which is a few extra quid etc.

Thanks all
Simon Simon
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mse



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well it used to be this.

None Winch had an additional bar about winch height making an A shape...if you see what i mean.

The winch version is more an upside down U without any bars Mike
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JSG



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Hi, IIRC correctly the 'non winch' version has a bar across the bottom of the legs (runs parrallell with the bumper) and the winch version doesn't have that (just an upside down U shpae).

I had the winch version fitted to my old Puma on a standard bumper with no winch and it looked fine.

Edit - snap with post above Laughing John

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mse



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JSG wrote:
Hi, IIRC correctly the 'non winch' version has a bar across the bottom of the legs (runs parrallell with the bumper) and the winch version doesn't have that (just an upside down U shpae).

I had the winch version fitted to my old Puma on a standard bumper with no winch and it looked fine.

Edit - snap with post above Laughing


Whistle Thumbs Up Mike
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JSG



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Winch A Bar





and Non Winch A Bar

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SJM



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Thanks all - pics very handy too of course Thumbs Up So seeing as the winch version seems to use less material I wonder why they charge an extra £50 for that one?!? Ok, well, I think I'll go for the winch version just in case I want to add one - could save money in the long run. Thanks again Thumbs Up Simon
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'07 Discovery 3 HSE
'58 Porsche 356A (not good off road)
'59 Lambretta (not good on or off road!)
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TJ101



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Winch version,, (with HL bars)

As JSG has posted,, the non winch, has the lower crossbar


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mse



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design has changed a little.

On cost difference I would suggest at:
a) pricing never makes sense
b) maybe there is more required rigidity on the winch version

heres mine when new:

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 Mike
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ashfordsv



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I have the non winch type bar with spots and was wondering if there is any way of shoehorning a winch under it?
Confused

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lrmaniac



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I'd be interested in this too, as I'm sourcing an a-bar to fit my 110 ... Mr. Green
Is that a-bar only compatible with a standard bumper ?
Could I fit that on to my Terrafirma winch bumper ? Regards
Joao

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TJ101's pic shows the bottom 2 bars of the grill being sut to make room for his winch - now some winches may be further forward or back but if you take that as the height the non winch bar cross piece if *just* at that height so I would think no chance unless you could cut the ross piece out of the A-Bar.

Would it work with lrmaniac's bumper? Doubt it given the profile of the bumper's front edge.
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IMHO lrmaniac it looks pretty cool as it is Thumbs Up
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mrandmrsh wrote:
IMHO lrmaniac it looks pretty cool as it is Thumbs Up


Thank you mrandmrsh ! Thumbs Up

you're right, It must not fit! My bumper is higher than the standard one ... ! I alway wanted to have an abar with lights ! I'ts like a fetiche Rolling with laughter ! Never had one on my SIIA or on my Td5 ...! Must have one ! Mr. Green
But I'm having trouble finding one ... Razz Regards
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SJM



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I've ordered the winch version now, so thanks for all comments. I saw my new truck while I was at the dealers this morning - number plates on it now, all bits fitted (except the A-bar!) and i'm a very happy bunny Cool Simon
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'07 Discovery 3 HSE
'58 Porsche 356A (not good off road)
'59 Lambretta (not good on or off road!)
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ashfordsv



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Thanks for the replies! still not a 100% convinced that it can't be done!!
Another option may be, under the bumper Surprised
Has anyone any experience of these,
cheers,
Al

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You may be able to fit a winch tray / bra to it. Have a look on the goodwinch.com website, they do one.

ETA - have a look at the winch bumper section on the website. he calls it a "bikini"
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