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agentmulder



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What type of seatbelt is in the Puma? (Roll cage legality)
Odd question maybe but I'm looking at the local regulations regarding internal roll cage installations and its legality is part determined by the type of seatbelt mechanism is the vehicle:


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Are our seatbelts "web-clamp retractor lap and diagonal or four-point harness seatbelts" ??

The guy on the phone wasn't very helpful - his advice: 'go to a seatbelt shop' - which I may do, but thought I'd ask here.

It will determine the size of the arc illustrated here:


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... and if the cage is outside of this area (front and rear) then I'm good to go. Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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Thon



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I would say that Defender front belts are web-clamp retractor lap and diagonal (3 point).

4 point tend to be used in competition vehicles as the entry level option.
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agentmulder



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Apparently there are two types: those that 'retract under load' and 'stop you sooner', and those that don't.

Which I'm told is nothing to do with the 'pull on it fast and it stops - pull on it slow and it doesn't' functionality.

Still not sure what type are in a Defender, or if the people I'm talking to are talking out of their bums.

Technical bureaucracy at its finest Neutral . Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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ickle



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Defender has basic lap and diagonal three point clamp under load type.

The other sort you refer to have an explosive charge normally on the buckle, linked to the airbag system that tightens the belt during impact.

Audi used a mechanical version 20 odd years ago called procon ten or similar that used steel cables and pulleys rigged around the superstructure that pulled the belts tighter as the car crumpled.

I think you can get a three point harness where the third central point at the back is on a retractor reel so in a crash or roll over you are safely in but in normal driving you would be able to reach the handbrake and high low change lever.

Keith
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agentmulder



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So I'm hearing I need to use the '900mm' measurement yeah? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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blackwolf



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Google is your friend:

Wikipedia wrote:
Pretensioners and webclamps

Seatbelts in many newer vehicles are also equipped with "pretensioners" or "web clamps", or both.

Pretensioners preemptively tighten the belt to prevent the occupant from jerking forward in a crash. Mercedes-Benz first introduced pretensioners on the 1981 S-Class. In the event of a crash, a pretensioner will tighten the belt almost instantaneously. This reduces the motion of the occupant in a violent crash. Like airbags, pretensioners are triggered by sensors in the car's body, and many pretensioners have used explosively expanding gas to drive a piston that retracts the belt. Pretensioners also lower the risk of "submarining", which occurs when a passenger slides forward under a loosely fitted seat belt.

Some systems also pre-emptively tighten the belt during fast accelerations and strong decelerations, even if no crash has happened. This has the advantage that it may help prevent the driver from sliding out of position during violent evasive maneuvers, which could cause loss of control of the vehicle. These pre-emptive safety systems may prevent some collisions from happening, as well as reducing injury in the event an actual collision occurs.[26] Pre-emptive systems generally use electric pretensioners which can operate repeatedly and for a sustained period, rather than pyrotechnic pretensioners, which can only operate a single time.

Webclamps clamp the webbing in the event of an accident, and limit the distance the webbing can spool out (caused by the unused webbing tightening on the central drum of the mechanism). These belts also often incorporate an energy management loop ("rip stitching") in which a section of the webbing is looped and stitched with a special stitching. The function of this is to "rip" at a predetermined load, which reduces the maximum force transmitted through the belt to the occupant during a violent collision, reducing injuries to the occupant.


So a "web clamp pretensioner" belt is one incorporating what is generally known as a Supplementary Restraint System or SRS, and you do not have one in your Defender.
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