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CR Member Since: 28 Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 947 |
what is a "Rocket Surgeon" ?
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28th Jul 2016 5:21pm |
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Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907 |
It's an American Brain Scientist, I assume....
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28th Jul 2016 6:33pm |
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Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 |
If it was a Land Rover Wrangler I certainly wouldn't want it.
Wranglers are great toy vehicles, but they're not working vehicles - just look at the craptacular payload and towing ratings. |
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28th Jul 2016 8:56pm |
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davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888 |
There is no replacement Defender and there are no plans to build one now or in the future. JLR will keep the speculation going to maintain interest in the brand but the reality is that the Defender was dropped because it didn't fit into their business model and that hasn't changed. There will continue to be the occasional "leak" from "inside sources" that hint at a launch date but the reality is that it's just a cynical marketing ploy.
I'm not sure what the salesman in the US was smoking but you can be pretty sure that if JLR were planning a new Defender then salesmen at the dealerships wouldn't know any of the details until a month or so before the launch, if then. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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28th Jul 2016 9:31pm |
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Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3784 |
As usual, nothing new, just "myth & hearsay" in all of these articles.
But, one thing, these articles are quoting "current demand for Defender is 50,000 units p.a."???!!!,...where do they get that figure from?, last yearly figures I saw, apart from the last "rush", were around 14/15000 p.a. And I see they're quite correctly looking at a market of 100,000p.a....and so they should if Evoque/Disco sales etc are to be any guide. Like I said, No one knows a thing. Pickles. |
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28th Jul 2016 10:31pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17388 |
I have to say that I think davew has it right, I really doubt that there will be a replacement Defender ever.
There may be a vehicle called a Defender, but if there is it will be so far removed from the last Defender that it won't be the same at all. I am not really convinced that there is a market for a vehicle that is what the Defender was any more, because the Defender - or rather the original Land-Rover - was intended to be a vehicle that could do pretty well anything that a vehicle could do at the time. With the huge change in vehicle useage, this is no longer possible for any vehicle. The specialist vehicles have become more specialised, and the generic vehicles more generic, and it is no longer possible to marry the two together. To be a serious contender in a specialised market the vehicle will be highly purposed and built in very small numbers, and I doubt that a 'platform' aimed at the mass-production generic market could do this. In the future, the people who need a rugged vehcile, whether it is for a cherry picker or a trans-Darien expedition, will probably have to use something like a Unimog. If there is a replacement Defender it will probably look the same as the bland and boring current Discovery (which is turn looks so like every other SUV that I don't even notice them) but with a bit of Rambo-esque plastic bling to make it stand out on the school run. Of course I may be completely wrong, and a wonderful new Defender may be launched next week, after all that what the friend of my granny's cousin, who used to work with a bloke from a North American JLR dealer who was consulted about this back in 1974, said! |
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29th Jul 2016 9:26am |
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Ramajama Member Since: 28 Jul 2016 Location: Heartland, ‘Murica Posts: 109 |
It's a guy that does rocket surgery... As opposed to a brain scientist. C'mon, everybody knows this. |
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29th Jul 2016 1:09pm |
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Ramajama Member Since: 28 Jul 2016 Location: Heartland, ‘Murica Posts: 109 |
This is great to hear! Thanks for sharing that! Sounds exactly what I was preaching on about in my first post. I'd be very excited to see it come out in the time frame you mentioned. That's about the time I'm wanting to get a new vehicle. Only thing is, being an 'Merican and all, I'd love to have a V8. Not a total deal breaker, if the Defender is all I hope, but I may have to see if Special Vehicles will provide us with a SC 5.0 V8. If I think it's really worth the price of admission, I'd pay it. And I sure hope they bring a truck version to the US. Is that all too much to ask? GRRR...lots of wait and see I guess. Last edited by Ramajama on 29th Jul 2016 2:07pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Jul 2016 1:22pm |
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Ramajama Member Since: 28 Jul 2016 Location: Heartland, ‘Murica Posts: 109 |
We have a Disco Sport and it looks nothing like every other SUV. It's breaks necks on the daily. Now the F-Pace....that looks like every other SUV in its class. I think they all conspired to make the same vehicle...LOL! I think the new "big" Disco will look great as well and work in the market its intended for. However, I think you're right about the new Defender. Purists will probably not like it, probably even hate it. But the world has moved on since original Defender came out. As an admirer of the outgoing Defender, I'm still very excited for a new one and there's going to be plenty more like me. And to Cupboards remark. I'm not saying a new Defender would be a Wrangler clone. However, it could and probably will naturally compete with them if the new Defender truly is the most capable ever. Since one of the new configurations should be a 90, it's gonna be in the same arena as a two door Wrangler...even the Wrangler Unlimited. Until we see it, we don't know how much of a "working vehicle" which is a wide description, it will be. But sadly, those working days, at least those days on the farm, are long behind it anyway....but we'll see. But it should have some capability, it has to. If at least one of the models can't tow at least 7K, it's not going to be any use to me. New days, new markets, new vehicles. We just don't know right now, but it's still fun to cuss and discuss it. I kinda like our Disco Sport.. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated |
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29th Jul 2016 1:47pm |
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ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 |
After all what is said here, I do hope that for whatever new Land Rover truck JLR will eventually launch in the coming years they will not use the name "Defender". It will be another €box, there is no other way in todays world of modern production and modern safety requirements. It won't have anything to do anymore with the original Land Rover which in the end evolved into the Defender. Keep the Defender name high spirited, strengthen the legend year by year, but don't water it down by sticking it on a totally new modern truck which cannot have any resemblance with the 68 year old mecano cubes. Call it a Land Rover again, but with an entirely new model name.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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29th Jul 2016 3:28pm |
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Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 |
Stick with the legend of failing driveshafts, rapidly wearing drive members and halfshaft splines, flaking screen frames and air con grilles, exploding hinge blocks, heater intakes with gaps big enough in the joint to get your fingers in, flaking powder coating on external bolt ons. corroding fastenings, failing egr valves, clunking rear diffs, rattling clutches and clutch slave cylinders that are a chore to replace.
The list goes on, just ask Caterham Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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29th Jul 2016 4:29pm |
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ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 |
Mr Happy. Looked carefully at your list there. In almost 8 years and 83.000 Km, I indeed had the half shafts replaced, and the EGR once started making unusual noise, but that went away again....
As to the rest of the list, I do not know what that is all about. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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29th Jul 2016 5:23pm |
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Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 |
Good for you, others do though Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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29th Jul 2016 5:31pm |
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mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 |
The thing is though, yours lives in a heated garage a doesn't come out when it's wet or windy and it also doesn't do any real work so it's more likely the ones that get worked will have these problems. Ray My build thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html |
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29th Jul 2016 6:39pm |
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