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How do you intend to vote in the eu referendum on June 23rd?

Leave

60%

[88]

Remain

32%

[47]

Undecided

[11]

Total Votes: 146

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Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2638

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

too soon for 'I told you so'? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/britis...b1bbba224b

not that the pound is tanking, I can start ordering landy accessories from the UK again

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24th Jun 2016 5:08am

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

Oh God

Living in Scotland (which voted to Remain)... and that crazy Sturgeon woman...another poll for Scottish Independence now on the cards.

Think I'll leave Scotland...can't cope with another load of Scottish racism against the English. Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

24th Jun 2016 5:30am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

lambert.the.farmer wrote:
couplands wrote:
It's amazing that only now are people asking what we do next...!

I feel sick....

What we do is grasp the future with both hands and make a go of it.

Without Brussels paying to UK farmers any more EU Agricultural subsidies that is...

You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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24th Jun 2016 5:32am

Bows

Member Since: 07 May 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 513

Last year we paid around 13 billion into the eu, and got around 4.5 back, all the so called eu funding is only a fraction of what we pay in,now we need to carry on by distributing that 4.5 billion ourselves and spend the rest of the 8.5 billion on getting this country back on its feet. 2006 TD5110 station wagon
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24th Jun 2016 6:00am

lambert.the.farmer

Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: harrogate
Posts: 2006

The farming sub has been diminished year on year for a long time to the point where it is next to worthless unless you have a huge operation running a ranch style stock management approach. This is not how I am comfortable looking after my livestock and given the market status of my product I am looking forward to real market forces being used to improve the general quality of product. If there is no incentive to produce lots of low and average quality then producing fewer of better quality becomes increasingly viable. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.

24th Jun 2016 6:05am

familymad

Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
Posts: 3481

2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

All done and dusted then. Defender back into production and this time galv the chassis, bulkhead and anything else that rots.....

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24th Jun 2016 6:17am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

lambert.the.farmer wrote:
The farming sub has been diminished year on year for a long time to the point where it is next to worthless unless you have a huge operation running a ranch style stock management approach. This is not how I am comfortable looking after my livestock and given the market status of my product I am looking forward to real market forces being used to improve the general quality of product. If there is no incentive to produce lots of low and average quality then producing fewer of better quality becomes increasingly viable.

Can only encourage that, but the public will have to be ready and able to pay the higher price for that. Unless you are a niche producer catering to the upper market segment of course in which case market forces are bit irrelevant. You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

24th Jun 2016 6:18am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

familymad wrote:
All done and dusted then. Defender back into production and this time galv the chassis, bulkhead and anything else that rots.....

I'm afraid you are going to continue to have to adhere to the Euro 5, 6, and further norms without any change or liberty. Or you won't sell any future Eewok and FFRR abroad anymore.

But maybe Boris is going to do away with the LEZ now in preparation for JLR focusing on a more tolerant UK market?

We here are not EU either, but as to car standards, full EU norms rule without any exception. Only difference we have is that we do not put any biodiesel in diesel fuel. Which is a good thing.

Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

24th Jun 2016 6:23am

Cupboard

Member Since: 21 Mar 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 2971

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey

Farming subsidies are stupid, a while back some beef payments were brought in so we got paid for every one that went and hey presto the price we were paid dropped the same amount overnight. All the subsidies do is prop up the supermarkets and mean we get food that's too cheap. However given that all our neighbours have similar subsidies I can't see British farmers not getting them, that's something we'd have to negotiate with everyone around us too. Which is why it's useful being at the negotiating table for such things...

So back to the referendum. The government and most elected representatives disagree on a fairly important issue with the British public that elect them and give them their mandate to govern. So is this a vote of no confidence in the majority of MPs? Boris wants us to remain in the single market, so does that mean we aim for a Norway style deal and keep the free movement of labour whilst paying vast amounts in to the EU coffers with no place at the negotiating table?

24th Jun 2016 6:27am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2638

Bows wrote:
Last year we paid around 13 billion into the eu, and got around 4.5 back, all the so called eu funding is only a fraction of what we pay in,now we need to carry on by distributing that 4.5 billion ourselves and spend the rest of the 8.5 billion on getting this country back on its feet.

nonsense, that is Nigel Farage-ist propaganda.

Not surprisingly: EU referendum: Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...99906.html

Quote:
The Leave campaign was repeatedly rebuked by the UK Statistics Authority for claiming the UK paid the EU £350 million a week. The figure does not take into account Britain’s rebate or money paid to the UK from the EU budget under grants for policy areas like agriculture and regional development.

Quote:
In fact, the independent and respected Institute for Fiscal Studies has said the net effect of leaving the EU would be for a £36 billion black hole in the public finances to open up during the spending period as a result of lower growth and tax revenue.

good luck with finding 4.5b from a 36b hole

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24th Jun 2016 6:52am

pjb

Member Since: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Sunny Oxford
Posts: 1244

Looks like the Defender2 Forum is a bell weather of the British public

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24th Jun 2016 6:53am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2638

when it rains, it pours: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...99581.html

Quote:
Moritz Kramer, chief ratings officer for S&P, said on Friday morning that the UK's AAA rating was "untenable under the circumstances"

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24th Jun 2016 6:56am

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Is this the same Standard & Poors who gave Freddy Mac & Fanny Mae AAA credit ratings? Who rated the sub prime mortgage debt as AA+? 🤔🤔🤔

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24th Jun 2016 7:01am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

Cupboard wrote:
Boris wants us to remain in the single market, so does that mean we aim for a Norway style deal and keep the free movement of labour whilst paying vast amounts in to the EU coffers with no place at the negotiating table?

Do you think to have another option?

24th Jun 2016 7:05am

stanley

Member Since: 18 Sep 2009
Location: Dorset /hampshire
Posts: 1032

Does this mean can put a GB sticker back on my number plate instead of the European stars !😊

24th Jun 2016 7:13am

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