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agentmulder

Member Since: 16 Apr 2016
Location: Outer Space
Posts: 1324

ABS/ Traction Control - was it standard on the Puma 2.4?

Gidday,

Apart from taking it out for a 'scientific' skid or through some cross-axle weirdness in the mud how can I find out if I have it or not?

Google hasn't told me what sensors/actuators to look for and there was conflicting info re. dash lights.

It's a Puma 2.4L 110 SW - unsure of the model but it's pretty basic with no electric windows or central locking (which I'm loving) (there is of course central diff lock!) Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...

12th May 2016 1:33am

Alien

Member Since: 18 Jan 2015
Location: Bacchus Marsh
Posts: 230

Not all of them had ABS.
A mate has a MY11 without but it is unusual in our market not to have it.

To confirm if it's fitted look for the pump under the bonnet.
Something like this...
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?...lhCiOch85f Cheers,
Kyle.

12th May 2016 4:13am

agentmulder

Member Since: 16 Apr 2016
Location: Outer Space
Posts: 1324

Mine is ex UK.

Thanks for the picture (and the hand for scale!). doesn't look familiar, but there is a lot of stuff jammed in there.

Will be interesting to see later tonight, is it located near the brake servo? (driver side, i.e. on the upper left when looking back for us). Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...

12th May 2016 4:17am

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3641

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

in the UK it was standard on XS models and an option on others upto 2011 DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

12th May 2016 5:06am

agentmulder

Member Since: 16 Apr 2016
Location: Outer Space
Posts: 1324

Assuming I don't have it (

), and that I know what it does, the benefits etc. - how much of a game changer really is it:

- Driving around a muddy farm.
- Off-roading.
- Sealed roads in the rain.

Looking for real world experience here

Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...

12th May 2016 5:10am

williamthedog

Member Since: 29 Dec 2012
Location: south wales
Posts: 3441

Mine hasn't got it, i haven't had any problems without it off road.
Its just more to go wrong in my opinion.

12th May 2016 5:14am

RED-DOT

Member Since: 29 Jun 2009
Location: stirling
Posts: 2363

I read somewhere that ABS works for 0.00000256% of a vehicles lifetime but that 5 seconds will probably save your life. TC now that's a game changer. 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..

12th May 2016 5:23am

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

I ordered a 2011 "County" spec...because I DIDN'T want TC & ABS

Not missed it yet.

My plan is for an Ashcroft ATB instead (when I get around to it) of TC....
http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/di...-diff.html Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

12th May 2016 5:27am

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3641

I've rarely seen my traction control do anything except when on an axle twister and then some revs resulted in it transferring power to the wheels on the ground and got me moving.

There are lots of threads on here about it and the benefits and dis benefits.

Locking axles are probably more useful off road, however ABS could prove immensely valuable if someone pulls out in front of you on a wet road DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

12th May 2016 5:29am

RED-DOT

Member Since: 29 Jun 2009
Location: stirling
Posts: 2363

Hell yeah, we 4X4 guys are tuff, we have roof racks with nuclear LED's and spacehopper tyres on our Tonka trucks but who needs ABS? The kid running out in front of you on a moist road, that's who! 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..

12th May 2016 5:51am

Jukathy

Member Since: 25 Jan 2015
Location: Berlin
Posts: 170

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

Hello guys, Mine's a 2.2 and neither ABS nor TC

I prefer the direct feeling when riding my Defender. - J

12th May 2016 6:51am

Thon

Member Since: 22 Nov 2015
Location: Salisbury Plain
Posts: 696

RED-DOT wrote:
Hell yeah, we 4X4 guys are tuff, we have roof racks with nuclear LED's and spacehopper tyres on our Tonka trucks but who needs ABS? The kid running out in front of you on a moist road, that's who!

I don't think anyone would disagree that ABS is useful in that circumstance, but just because you choose not to have ABS, it doesn't mean you're a reckless idiot.

Personally I chose to forgo ABS/TC deliberately due to the added complexity - same for heated screen and seats. For me I prefer to accept that I need to drive carefully and in accordance with the conditions in all circumstances as I do not have the back up of an electronic aid. I also run XZLs on my 110, which aren't ideal wet road tyres so I drive accordingly.

You'll find the largest fleet of 90s and 110s in the country do not have ABS/TC and run XZL or G90s ...

12th May 2016 8:42am

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

Re: ABS/ Traction Control - was it standard on the Puma 2.4?

agentmulder wrote:
Gidday,

Apart from taking it out for a 'scientific' skid or through some cross-axle weirdness in the mud how can I find out if I have it or not?

Google hasn't told me what sensors/actuators to look for and there was conflicting info re. dash lights.

It's a Puma 2.4L 110 SW - unsure of the model but it's pretty basic with no electric windows or central locking (which I'm loving) (there is of course central diff lock!)

This is a Wabco ABS pump

Click image to enlarge
Think Landrover fitted Bosch pumps eventually...Not that they're any better,lol.

Click image to enlarge

Both look similar,you'll find them in the top O/S position under the bonnet (assume the opposite for left hookers).

Also the brake master cylinder on an ABS only has two brake pipes (1 front 1 rear,non-ABS has 3.....2 front 1 rear). Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

12th May 2016 9:37am

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

RED-DOT wrote:
I read somewhere that ABS works for 0.00000256% of a vehicles lifetime but that 5 seconds will probably save your life. TC now that's a game changer.

With the Defender you can't have T/C without ABS. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

12th May 2016 9:40am

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

As said,axle lockers are better than T/C.If you wished you had ABS fairly often maybe you could slow down a bit

!! Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

12th May 2016 9:41am

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