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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295   
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Hello All
I parked up behind this 62 Plate 90 which was displaying the signs of a breather pipe fail (probably). So bang on 'schedule'... did Land Rover not know they were (probably) fitting a sub standard part... 
My local LR Dealer confirmed that 'at around 3 years we start to see them fail'... too late now but someone at LR was responsible for 'value engineering' this part down to an unacceptable specification (probably). I'd be prepared to bet that a standard length of garden hose would perform as well... Anyway I'm certain it is relativity easy to improve on the LR OEM Pipe (as I and a few on here have). As this ones a 90 it will be a real  to get the tank out...even more of an incentive to fit a quality pipe
having gone to the effort required... 
 Click image to enlarge SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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9th May 2016 6:48pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324 
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Mine was a 110, all makes sense now and I could do it in less than half the time, but what a carry on!
I'm finding it hard to imagine a more dirty/annoying job, what makes the 90 harder? At some stages I was accessing the top of the tank while it was still in situ, is that impossible on a 90? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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9th May 2016 6:56pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Hello agentmulder
There's a few parts on a Defender that when you get to 'service' them... you are convinced that it was the first thing that headed down the production line and the rest was built around it...I'm joking obviously but it's almost as bad for the fuel tank on a 90. I'm convinced that the tank is (was) pre-installed on the rolling chassis (top down) before the body is (was) assembled. With the 90 there is just so little room to remove it (by the prescribed method) I took 'corrective action' to improve things, which also helped when removing the tank a further time to apply Dinitrol to this area (especially the forward facing rear cross member) The 110 and 130 do not suffer the 90s 'characteristics' for tank removal, as there is just more room despite larger capacity tanks... Any way if your interested in more detail... here's my fix... http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic25866.html (I did post this earlier within this tread) Others claim to have seen and even swapped this pipe on a 90 with the tank not fully removed...I just couldn't get anyway near this level of fix...I was motivated to get the tank out fully so spent the time... but what a 
overall as you can't believe the situation is not better than it is... 
Good Luck to those who go down this route... SKIP
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9th May 2016 7:13pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324
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Impressive!
How long did you rattle the idea of that solution around in your head? When faced with destructive 'maintenance' I usually let it sit for a day or two before committing 
The assembly picture in that thread was interesting, my solution (made much easier by the 110 tank), was to route the breather around to the fill side, cable tie to the fill breather and terminate such that the spill valve thingy was higher than the max level of the fluid (i.e. a filler nozzle 'deep'). Pretty much the same as a picture from another user here somewhere. This way it cost me about £10, instead of the time or the $$ spent building/buying the 'breather coming off the breather' style breather. 
I had a about 10mins of 'oh ', when the low fuel alarm kept going off even though I had poured 20L in there - but it cleared when I waggled the vehicle a bit  .
I'd be interested to see how the sensor works, there's only two wires, so some kind of resistive set up? But then, charge in a tank... nope, hrrrm, so logic says it's just a switch that illuminates the low level alarm. So how does the actual level work? Is it inferred via required work in the fuel pump or ? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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9th May 2016 8:14pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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Hi agentmulder
It took me 1/2 a day to be sure... 
I know what you mean though...when faced with a relatively 'significant intervention' it's always worth making an extra coffee (or so) before commitment...I reckon this was a X3 assessment before passing the point of no return...(using the jigsaw). But the thought that 'this isn't such a mad an idea'... came after talking with my local independent dealer who I trust completely, they do get a Puma's tank out (90) and back without doing this, but that's with the advantage of being able to stand upright under the vehicle and not frightened to deform the tank (beyond what you would think is reasonable) with a length of scaffolding. I have subsequently seen this done... and have no regrets going the route I did...
I didn't mount the breather valve higher, as a few on here have, if I experience problems then at least I know I can get to this area again with considerably less effort than first time round... SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html Last edited by X4SKP on 29th Sep 2017 8:25am. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th May 2016 8:56pm |
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| miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
Okay, things have been too easy recently and so my MY09 110 has decided to start dripping diesel onto the ground after I've filled up to the first click on the pump. I can see some cracking around the top of the breather hose and so figure this needs replacing.
I've read the threads about this and can see that it's supposed to be easier with a 110 (ie no need to drop the tank etc). However, it still looks pretty tight down there and so I wondered if anyone has any top tips for replacing the breather? Any/all insight appreciated, as usual. Cheers Mike |
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11th Aug 2016 12:31pm |
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| sat13 Member Since: 06 Jun 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 70 
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Mike
I needed to replace my breather pipe on my 90, but just could not see any way of getting access and refitting with proper clips after. So I decided to go for the hole in the rear floor method, as somebody on here already suggested. So if it helps anybody else. First measure 8in in and 8.5 from rear trim for the hole centre. Click image to enlarge Cut hole, I used a 5in tank cutter, but be very careful because the breather pipe is very close to the floor. Also be aware of the floor supports. Click image to enlarge Then I decided to elongate the hole as I thought I might as well have access to the joint at the tank connection. Watch out for the floor supports when cutting. The floor thickness is about 14swg probably 2mm so a shallow cut is required. Two rivets will have to be drilled out of the floor support as well. Click image to enlarge Treat any bare metal and fit edging strip. Click image to enlarge Drill out for rivnuts. 5mm. I could not get an equal pitch because of the floor supports and pipe positions. But it looks near enough. Click image to enlarge Fit trim pad for cover. And Waxoil up any bare areas. Click image to enlarge Finally fit lid with 5mm Allen bolts. Click image to enlarge Regards to all Fletch. |
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11th Aug 2016 6:11pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324
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Hole in the floor??? Wow, the 90 must be a pig to get to.
As for the 110, I have no idea how I could have fixed it without complete access. So IMO Mike you're going to have to drop the tank... Maybe if it were clean and I knew exactly how it all worked I could do it in place (but loose), but at the time I couldn't see what I didn't know. P.S. can report it's still working a treat, zero issues since. Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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11th Aug 2016 7:43pm |
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| miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
Thanks for the feedback.
I've got a DC and so cutting a hole above the tank wouldn't work too well. Plus I'd probably cut through something critical. As for dropping the tank, I guess this could be the easiest option, and would be a good learning process, but I suspect I'm now thinking about dropping it off at my local independent and letting them do the job. I might just have a feel about underneath and see what I might be able to do without dropping the tank first... Thanks again Mike |
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12th Aug 2016 9:52am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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Mike - not too bad job on a 110, bigruss and I dropped the tank on my 2010 110 with a tow bar in about 25
Mins, fitted a webasto feed pipe and refitted. Top-tip: The tank does not weigh much when empty.. It's one of those jobs that's worse to think about, just do it and you should be fine |
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12th Aug 2016 11:49am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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Mike - not too bad job on a 110, bigruss and I dropped the tank on my 2010 110 with a tow bar in about 25
Mins, fitted a webasto feed pipe and refitted. Top-tip: The tank does not weigh much when empty.. It's one of those jobs that's worse to think about, just do it and you should be fine |
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12th Aug 2016 11:53am |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324
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With two people you're laughing
One requires a bit of creative jigging and toing and fro that eats up time and knees. Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... |
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12th Aug 2016 8:00pm |
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| miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
I got my local indy to fit a new breather pipe in the end - they didn't drop the tank (it's a 110) and fitted the new breather in under an hour. Nice, simple and relatively cheap, which made a pleasant change!
Mike |
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22nd Aug 2016 8:18am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 
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^^ One of the advantages of a 110
You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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