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| Butchers Boy Member Since: 10 Jan 2016 Location: Essex Posts: 426   
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Has anybody used Superchips for a remap on their defender?
http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=17...riant=1894 It seems a really good deal it includes the 'bluefin' gadget so you can upload and remove the map whenever you want! Be interesting to know how it stacks up against the Alive and Bell maps? They quote an increase of 40bhp and 102nm Any thoughts....?? 2010 Defender 90 HT The longer I live..... The better I was! |
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22nd Mar 2016 3:45pm |
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| Butchers Boy Member Since: 10 Jan 2016 Location: Essex Posts: 426
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I agree it dose look tempting in terms of value for money!
I'd like to hear from anyone that has tried one! Can the more expensive maps be so much better? Ok maybe a few HP more but I expect Superchips have made their map as keen as they can in terms of power etc ?? 2010 Defender 90 HT The longer I live..... The better I was! |
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22nd Mar 2016 4:19pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20348
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Why save some money on something so important?
If it isn't correct or there is an issue with it at a later date it could have catastrophic affects. Chances are you'll have no back up either once money is paid and completed. I went for Alive and don't regret it even though it's more expensive. Some things just aren't worth cutting corners on! |
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22nd Mar 2016 5:22pm |
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| CarMan Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 1860
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Heard nice things yesterday about Stage 1 Bowler but it's 3 times the price though vital stats sound impressive Rob
1993 200tdi 90 hard-top 1998 300tdi 90 soft-top 2016 2.2 XS 90 hard-top (sold) |
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22nd Mar 2016 5:41pm |
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| simon67 Member Since: 18 Jun 2015 Location: west sussex Posts: 569  
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plus one for Alive and Stage 1 was £500
Debating Stage 2 but only because it is so much for an extra 15 bhp |
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22nd Mar 2016 5:47pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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Superchips website says this about a re-map for a Puma 2.2 Before a bluefin can be used on this model, the ECU must be "bluefin enabled" The vehicle's ECU will need to be removed, opened, reprogrammed and refitted, which will then allow us to communicate with the vehicle through its on board diagnostic port. This process is done with specialist equipment at one of the Superchips dealers listed, from whom you buy the bluefin at the same time.The RRP of this procedure is £60 inc. VAT Also the full cost and spec is Specs Original Increase Horse Power 122 bhp Increase 36 bhp Torque 360 nm Increase 101 nm The process is not detectable diagnostically by the servicing dealer. The actual cost for a Defender remap according to their price list is £365.00 I do not know if the £60.00 is on top of that but i would guess it is so the full cost is £425.00 which is not so cheap. They also warn on their web site that it could cost more with regional variations. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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22nd Mar 2016 5:59pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20348
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IIRC, the 2.4 Puma stage 1 is 150hp and 410 torque. (Can't gaurantee the accuracy of the torque figure exactly.)
Not sure what the 2.2 figures are. |
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22nd Mar 2016 6:56pm |
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| Butchers Boy Member Since: 10 Jan 2016 Location: Essex Posts: 426
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^^^^ Yes that is correct for the 2.2 ^^^^^
The link I have placed at the start of this thread is for the 2.4 Puma and costs £299 The ECU hasn't got the be removed Just in case there's any confusion over the two 2010 Defender 90 HT
The longer I live..... The better I was! |
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22nd Mar 2016 7:01pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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I ran a superchips Bluefin tune on my 2.4 a couple of years back with no trouble.
Took it back off and returned to standard when I sold it. Contacted superchips and they let me reset the Bluefin to use on another vehicle as I had had it less than a year.  |
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22nd Mar 2016 10:14pm |
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| I Like Old Skool Member Since: 23 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 808 
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Just a word of warning! I know many people on this Forum have their vehicles 'chipped' to improve performance but my tale is a word of warning. I had a Mercedes 316 Sprinter (2.7ltr 5cyl CDi) from new in 2003. Got to 90k and just HAD to get it chipped so had an oil diagnosis done which showed a clean bill of health. Went ahead with the chip from my local Superchips agent on the basis that they had been around in the tuning market far longer than anyone else and the engine was proving to be a 'goodun'. The change was very satisfying and the vehicle was transformed. This wasn't a case of being able to thrash it up to the 100mph limiter all the time as I always had an eye on the economy so often just sat at 60-70mph on cruise control for a great relaxing ride. It would pull strongly in all the gears and the chip just improved flexibility while always having the option to stamp on the loud pedal for a blast if needed.
Just 10,000 miles later the engine went bang and blew a conrod (I don't know the exact details as that is all the information that Mercedes relayed to me). Fortunately the 3yr warranty was still running so with just weeks left to go, Mercedes replaced the engine. Later after the warranty had expired I had the opportunity to chat with a technician on the quiet while he was plugged in for an unrelated issue and I told him the van had been chipped. He had the full diagnostics suite at his disposal but even when he went looking he could find no evidence of the chip! My conclusion is that the manufacturers do indeed have the best long term tune built in for an engine. You can chip and get away with it if you don't run high mileage or big annual distances but if you are in it for the long term (I was doing around 40k pa) then there is a trade off in longevity. I took what appeared to be a healthy engine and after a performance chip it was scrap within 10,000 miles at only 100k. The annoying part was that when the engine was ripped down the bores were still like new and still had the honing marks on them. I don't think I will do it again if the opportunity ever arises. |
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22nd Mar 2016 10:35pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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You might have just been unlucky however?
Mate of mine ran a brand new Merc E350 Diesel (bog standard), at 3.5 years old and 50k miles, the engine blew up. Merc wanted £17k for a new engine so he ended up selling the car for £5k 
On a more positive note, I had my 110 TD5 tuned by Jeremy Fearn at 20k miles and 3 years old. Had the Stage 1 with Larger Intercooler, Turbo boost box done and straight through 3inch exhaust (185bhp+) Went like stink and got thrashed regularly. Only engine problem was a warped manifold which happens regularly to standard motors and cost about a hundred quid to fix. It was WAY quicker than my current 2.2 with 170bhp tune (did belch a bit of black smoke however  )
Sold it 8 years later with 100k miles on the clock still running sweet. |
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22nd Mar 2016 11:18pm |
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| YOLO110 Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Perth Oz and Stansted UK Posts: 1642 
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'Chipping' is a pretty corse and generic way of altering the output of the ECU. I would personally be quite 'nervous' of this on a Defender as there are a lot of variables in the map.
I do believe the only way to go is with companies like Alive and BAS who have both spend considerable time with a Defender on a rolling road, doing extensive re-mapping of the ECU directly. This all takes a lot of time, hence they are more expensive than super chips. But they get it right. By example, I had my Lotus remapped with a new ECU on the rolling road... a 'base map' was provided with a new ECU then the specialist (like Alive or BAS) took about 4 hours with all manner of throttle position, rpm, gear selection etc etc variables made to do a custom remap on a rolling road that totally suited my specific car. So I was totally confident that the best balance of power, fuel economy and reliability was achieved. There is a lot to be taken into account on a Defender given the many variables that the vehicle may have to operate in, both on/off road in high/low ratio etc etc. I would be perhaps quite happy with a 'normal' street car having a super chips mod but personally I would leave the Defender remap to a dedicated specialist... YOLO... You Only Live Once... |
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23rd Mar 2016 2:57am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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Hi Yolo110,
not that I'm singing their praises or anything but the superchips bluefin is an ECU remap, not one of the cheaper (£100 ish) plug in boxes that justs cons the pressure sensor into throwing more fuel in. |
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23rd Mar 2016 12:29pm |
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| Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2640
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Go a real tuners, you here all sorts of horror stories... half of the time companies are just flashing on a higher powered transit map which is less than ideal
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23rd Mar 2016 1:09pm |
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