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Lambley



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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 90 Td5 HT Java Black
Rear windows - devalue?
About to buy some rear sliding windows and plastic interior surrounds - fit them to my 90 hard top, do you think this will devalue it or make it less likely to sell in the future?
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CarMan



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Personally I would have thought the contrary, but what do I know Rolling Eyes and actually I like the look of hardtops a lot which is why I am resisting putting them in mine, which would be a great fix for the damaged sides Neutral Rob

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Enid_Puceflange



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Scotland 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Baltic Blue
I own a 90 HT, and I'm wanting to put Panoramic Glass on the sides

For no other reason than helping with visibility at awkward junctions (& they look cool) Thumbs Up
But the Pan Glass doesn't detract from the HT image IMO

G My confidence has been writing cheques that my abilities can't cash for years.
Post #503583 11th Feb 2016 6:39pm
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1978



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Re: Rear windows - devalue?
Lambley wrote:
About to buy some rear sliding windows and plastic interior surrounds - fit them to my 90 hard top, do you think this will devalue it or make it less likely to sell in the future?


Why not buy some used panels from a breaker with station wagon windows already fitted, then you can always put the original panels back in should you want to put it back to original?

Edit: as per the above post, panoramic glass would be the best of both worlds especially since your vehicle is black.
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CarMan



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+1 for that idea Thumbs Up though costs more Whistle
Post #503606 11th Feb 2016 7:35pm
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Lambley



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Cheers all, I'd like the extra visibility and to be able to give my dogs some fresh air in the back, my panels are fine and straight, I had to seal them at the bottoms with Silkaseal last winter and they are now totally sealed, so they'd be hard to remove unless I had to, Enid - I prefer the look of an O/E style of window plus the panoramics are more expensive, having said that the plastic trims are expensive for o/e style - but what does the inside of the panoramic ones look like when finished from the inside? Does it leave a rough cut edge as the glass is stuck to the h/t panel?
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X4SKP



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Hello Lambley

This may have been covered on here, but one thing to check is if the change you are proposing
'repositions' your vehicle in the eyes of the DVLA / (DVSA previously VOSA) and more importantly
HMRC because it use too.

My first Land Rover was a late Series III HT and I looked at this in 1991-2. If I had installed
rear windows (easy enough) It would have triggered the payment of the original VAT claimed
back by the first purchaser as a commercial vehicle, with the DVLA and HMRC viewing the
vehicle in effect as now being a CSW and therefore wanting the VAT they missed out on.

This may all be different now, but worth establishing before you get the angle grinder out... Shocked SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html
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RobKeay



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If this was the case. HMRC would be going back to the original owners of most series vehicles. How many hard to land rovers now have Windows fitted.

As long as you haven't claimed the vat yourself there is no problem.
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X4SKP



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Hello RobKeay

The person who use to pay, was the registered owner of the vehicle when it is changed. SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html
Post #503642 11th Feb 2016 8:24pm
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GREENI



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I prefer a hard top... Windows usually rattle, though the use of bits of rubber blocks between glass and frame usually solves that.

1978's idea is which route I'd be going for, especially as I know how attached you are to that 90 Lambley !

Panoramic glass? It's not for me, looks like an eyesore modern city architectural office in a beautiful rural picturesque village . 2 people I know who have them.... grossly regret it.
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RobKeay



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That makes sense now. 👍
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Riccarton



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I find the opinions in this thread very interesting Thumbs Up

I have a silver HT and I'm considering the Landy Glass side panels (but not the rears) with all the pillars painted black to match. I'll need to play with Photoshop to give me the confidence to do it first of course but........think FullFat with its "floating roof" - I thought it may look rather nice as well as having practical advantages for me too.

Personally I prefer the look of the HT so I prefer this route but it's all down to individual taste (SWMBO tells me I have none Laughing )!!
Post #503661 11th Feb 2016 8:56pm
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Lambley



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Cheers all, I prefer the look of the sliding o/e windows tbh, even though my 90 is black and the landyglass looks good with black in my view.
As for the HMRC - I'm not too bothered, there is VAT on it at the moment but I'm transferring it to myself in a few weeks so the VAT will be lost. I'm more worried if it would drop in value or put buyers off, not that I'm likely to part with it soon.
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bpman



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Maybe cos I'm a purist but I would not buy a defender with glass sides, lucky I have a pair of brand new metallic grey sides in the loft ...
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Alphabear



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I would always be bothered about HMRC if there is a payment due. Not sure what you mean by there is VAT on it as yes there would be on any purchase. If you are saying that it is in a company or other business and you have reclaimed the VAT then a "transfer" to you would be a supply of a VATable asset and the VAT registered party would need to account for the VAT due. In this instance VAT is not "lost" it's just that the final purchaser who is not VAT registered can't reclaim and the chain stops.

Add to this the fact that if VAT has been reclaimed on a commercial vehicle and rear windows are then added before the vehicle is disposed of, then VAT is due on the value at the time of conversion.

Maybe you mean something completely different though in which case please ignore my rambling Smile
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