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srod



Member Since: 20 Mar 2015
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Clutch release bearing...
So I have a whirring noise when I use the clutch, only when the engine is cold. The noise stops after less than half a mile. I'm lead to believe this the release bearing.

Been like this for a bout 3k! Recently seems to be getting slightly worse...

Other than that, all is okay with the clutch. Car has done 97k, no idea if this is original clutch or not.

Advice seems to be wait until the clutch fails and get it sorted then, OR replace the lot (clutch, DMF, release bearing)....

What to do?
Post #502678 9th Feb 2016 3:22pm
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miker



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I'd wait until it needs changing. It's a pretty big job!
Post #502682 9th Feb 2016 3:31pm
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dorsetsmith



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FPR dry no lecks
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Pilgrimmick



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Only if you are happy to sit at the side of the road and wait for recovery, when you need to be somewhere else!
Otherwise get the whole lot changed 80" 1948
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Bowler Tomcat
130 Station wagon
90 300tdi
(Santana PS10 pick up)
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Post #502691 9th Feb 2016 3:40pm
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srod



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I'd wait until it needs changing. It's a pretty big job!


Cheers - so I believe... best part of a grand!

Is any damage being done elsewhere though - does the bearing ever give up completely??


Various web searches reveal things like "they all do it" to reports of bearings making that racket from new. I'm reluctant to take apart and replace something that otherwise is working, and the risk of causing other problems. But at the same time, I like things being all in order.
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srod



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dorsetsmith wrote:
FPR dry no lecks


Actually yeah this was leaking, but have since fixed it about 1.5k ago. The whirring could have started around about the time I noticed the leak... in what way is this related?
Post #502695 9th Feb 2016 3:44pm
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srod



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Pilgrimmick wrote:
Only if you are happy to sit at the side of the road and wait for recovery, when you need to be somewhere else!
Otherwise get the whole lot changed


That's what my local mechanic said, but hence my question here is why there is advice around to wait until it all needs doing...
Post #502701 9th Feb 2016 3:49pm
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michaelwl



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South Africa 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Alpine White
Mine made that noise since I bought the Defender in 2003. Originally only in cold weather but eventually got so bad it happened every time the clutch was used.
So last month and after 134k Km I had it replaced along with the clutch plate.
All fine for now but I'm sure it will start again as its seems to be "normal". Thumbs Up 2002 110 TD5 White
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Post #502726 9th Feb 2016 4:43pm
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Pilgrimmick



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srod wrote:
Pilgrimmick wrote:
Only if you are happy to sit at the side of the road and wait for recovery, when you need to be somewhere else!
Otherwise get the whole lot changed


That's what my local mechanic said, but hence my question here is why there is advice around to wait until it all needs doing...


Who is your local mechanic? What part of Argyll are you in? 80" 1948
Lightweight V8
Bowler Tomcat
130 Station wagon
90 300tdi
(Santana PS10 pick up)
Range Rover L322 (Ful fat)
Post #502735 9th Feb 2016 4:58pm
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Gareth



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My TD5 has started doing this when its cold, and like yours, it goes away after a couple of gear changes. I usually hear/feel it as I maneuver the car in the drive to get onto the road. Mine is on 68k, original clutch, 2002 car.

As it is not my main transport, I plan to leave it until I have to do it. If that results in a lift from the big orange taxi, so be it!

I don't think driving this until it destroys itself, or the clutch actually needs replacing will damage anything else. Plus it would be a false economy to pull the gearbox (or engine out) to change just a bearing. It would be wise to change the flywheel, clutch plate, clutch cover and release bearing, and whilst I'm at it, maybe the release fork and slave cylinder too? 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy
Post #502743 9th Feb 2016 5:25pm
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roel



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You never know when a part will fail. The rear diff off the Big Orange taxi started maing noise at about 80.000 km and according to the friendly dealer I should replace it. now a few years later at 150.000 km it still makes noise. Shocked So I won't replace it till it breaks, of-course that will happen when I need it but so be it. Roel

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Post #502752 9th Feb 2016 5:38pm
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Welkman



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Replaced mine when I rebuilt but I have a feeling it's actually the spigot bush in the end of the crank. Still whines !
Post #502808 9th Feb 2016 7:32pm
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derbywill



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It will be the spigot bush in the crank. Something that gets forgot when changing the clutch unfortunately.
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Fatboy Slim



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Yep 10 says its the spigot bearing. Don't worry about it. Drive it on and stick a nice blob of moly grease on it when you eventually do a clutch.
Post #502861 9th Feb 2016 9:03pm
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srod



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Thanks everyone - this is all really useful advice. Thumbs Up

I think I might check it in though, it's getting worse. It used to do it only when cold (first thing in the morning), the past few days and this evening in particular it 's doing it when the engine is slightly warm now (starting after sitting for ~2 hours), and even heard a slight whuuuuuurp as I clutched when dropping from 4th>3rd slowing down after driving 5 miles or so on the journey home. Also feeling that gear changes are notchier than what they used to be...

Spigot bush or release bearing? (I'm getting confused, or it's getting late) bear with me:

Engine running, neutral, foot off the clutch, no whirr.
Clutch pedal pressed, still in neutral, no whirr.
Clutch pedal pressed, select 1st or reverse, a slight hint of a whirr.
Start to lift the clutch to maneuver, full on whirrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Clutch pedal fully up and driving, no whirr.

Question Big Cry
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